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I have a 6 volt delco starter on a 1928 Studebaker Victoria my starter decided to take a wrong turn and now turns my engine in the oposite direction counter clockwise. 6 volt neg ground the negative battery terminal cable goes from the battery to starter switch and then to starter.

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For a negative ground vehicle the negative battery terminal goes directly to a grounding point (i.e. chassis, engine block, bell housing, etc, etc.)

 

The positive battery terminal should go to the starter switch / solenoid (if so equipped) and on to the starter power connection.

 

A positive grounded vehicle is just the opposite.

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clarification... I was watching my distributors rotor since I was in the car when I was turning the engine over I noticed the distributors rotor was traveling ccw so I thought that the engine was turning ccw. after installing the belt to the fan in order to watch its rotation I see that the engine is traveling in the correct clock wise rotation however the distributor is in a counter clock wise rotation. I need this to go in a clock wise rotation

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I don't think the drive mechanism would let a starter turn the engine backwards.

So, if your engine is turning the proper direction then the distributor must be as well. So distributers turn CW some turn CCW.

I don't even think an incorrect distributor could turn in the wrong direction as it is gear driven.

Another thing that comes to mind would be the oil pump.

 

However I have never been into a 28 Studebaker so what do I know.

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Some of the old foot pedal starters will engage in either direction.  Years ago a friend of mine rebuilt the engine in his 30 something Studebaker. He also rebuilt the starter and generator. When it was finished it wouldn't start. They tried for days and checked everything over and over.  Finally they went out on the road and gave it a good push. ZOOM  It turns out the starter was  spinning the engine the wrong direction. He had hooked up the connections to the starter brushes backwards.

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He had hooked up the connections to the starter brushes backwards.

That is more credible. Positive to earth was almost universal till post-war. When it spins the right way for you, it may be prudent to disconnect power to the distributer, and spin it in correct rotation. Backwards with a gear pump will try to empty the oil from the lines. One friend had a start-up party for the Delage he had restored, and spun the engine on the starter with the spark plugs out till the oil pressure came up.

David's procedure was very thorough. The local Lutheran pastor was very interested in old cars and mechanical things, and he was standing right in front of the Delage. David said "There is just one more thing we need to do before starting it". Unidentified interjector, "Let us pray". Pastor Fry jumped, and said "That wasn't me. I didn't say that!" ( Timing is everything in humour). It unsettled David, but he still played the French National anthem on an Edison Phonograph. Someone took a video of all this.

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OK  I think of myself somewhat mechanically inclined as I can usually rebuild something after I take it apart or repair something mechanical without doing it before. With common knowledge of mechanics and how things operate, and what does it need in order to operate, Fuel, Air, spark on any internal combustion engine. Older engines are more simple to work on in your homes garage due to no electronics, and simple mechanical technologies in todays standards. Well back to this current topic. A 1928 Studebaker Victoria it has the Studebaker Big Six this has to be one of the last Big Six engines installed in a Studebaker GH series. They stopped production of these engines and were installing there new straight eights in earlier cars at this  time of production. The production run on the GH series was only a couple of months in mid to late 28. all other cars that they were being produced at this time was known as 1929s. however since production of the GH series only lasted a couple months it was considered a 1928 due to the production ended prior to the year 1929. so most of the 1928 GH series you see are 4 Door.

In all of my research I found that the firing order for the Studebakers  at this time was The Big 6 engine firing order is 1-5-3-6-2-4 with number 1 being the front cylinder and at a clockwise rotation. these are gear driven so is the GH series different with the rotation of the distributor being counter clock wise, what about the firing order stated. So what I need help with is why is my distributor running ccw  or is it supposed to? All the info and diagrams that I can located states that for this year and prior distributors runs Clock wise.

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So what I need help with is why is my distributor running ccw  or is it supposed to? All the info and diagrams that I can located states that for this year and prior distributors runs Clock wise.

OK. If you have an Armstrong starter (crank handle), note the position of the rotor button, then turn it

about a third of a turn, and verify which way the distributer does turn. Otherwise, push it forward in top

gear . Distributer's direction of rotation depends on the angle of the skew gears that drive them. The late 1920s-1930s six cylinder Nash changed direction of rotation: I could look up the change point in National Tune-Up Manual, though it does not matter to us now. I have Nash twin ignition ^distributers to use on my Rochester-Trego engined Mercers. I will have to change the centrifugal spark advance mechanism on one distributer.

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Counter clockwise rotation Here is a video of the distributor CCW rotation the Studebaker manuals and illustration I have seen indicate this is a clockwise rotation notice engine is operating in CW direction. What am I missing?006_mpeg1video.mpg

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My Big Six hand book says it turns ccw and also the manual and the electrical manual shows ccw on all big six engines, are reading the 8 cylinder manual which says cw for the rotation.The big six dissy is driven off the front of the camshaft which rotates opposite to the crank so it will turns ccw also.bob

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