Guest brian2416 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I have a very rare 1941 lincoln as the title states with letters from detroit where it was made, stating that it is the first one of that year built. This one was built by hand, before they started the assembly line for it. I have all the documentation but I have no idea what the actual value of this car is. The car runs, the motor is fine and the body is rust free with no dents but the top has been cut to pieces by the previous owners wife/girlfriend Someone please help me find the value of this beautiful car. I can give you more details and pictures as needed. - Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Need photos so we can get a better idea of its condition. Also need to know its mechanical condition, other than it runs. Does it have overdrive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I would think the serial number would reflect whether it is the first one built for that model year. Where did the papers come from?? Ford?? Some papers are good for lining bird cages. I see papers, all the time that, are notarized, as if that means anything. Notary Publics, at least here, are ID checkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodfiddler Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Brian - As West said, we'd love to know more about your Lincoln and would certainly enjoy photos. Can you give us any more history? Maybe photos of the papers (and photos of the car)? This is probably the most professional and historically focused forum that you will find for answers to your questions. Please help us, help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Does everybody get the Sorry, you don't have permission for that! error trying to open the photo albums, or is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Does everybody get theSorry, you don't have permission for that! error trying to open the photo albums, or is it just me?I get the same message. The photos are too small to really see clearly, but cannot enlarge them by clicking on them. Edited June 2, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I can see them. I'm not sure if the "first one built" in the car's second year adds any value to the car. Once it has had a full complete and authentic type restoration completed, I believe it's value would be around $75,000 (maybe as high as $90,000). It appears to be a nice solid and mostly complete car (didn't see a radio, nor the air cleaner), so restoration would probably be relatively simple. Not knowing anything about its mechanical condition other than that the engine is free and that it starts, I would also assume that it's going to need an engine rebuild. My opinion, it's value is somewhere between $20-$30,000. Others may think much less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 After perusing your paperwork, I read that it is not the first one built in 1941. However, it is very, very hard to read that letter from Mr. Cole. Again, it really doesn't matter in my opinion. Also, there appears to be some thought that it may have been the car used for early publicity photos. That's kind of neat, too, but even if it could be proven, not a whole lot of added value except that you have some great original photos of the car available.I think that if it were my car, the first thing I'd do is clean it up as well as I could. It might be possible to use "as is," with a new top. I can't tell from the photos or the paper work if that is original paint on the car. If it is, that would make me want to keep it un-restored all the more. If your idea is to sell the car, I wouldn't do any restoration other than to make it run and stop. Any money spent other than that, would be money down the drain, and would possibly hurt the desirability of it for the future buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 How do you get permission to see the photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I don't have permission, either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 By observation I would say you need moderators privileges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 yeah, I dunno. I just work here.It is a class 4 condition car at the present time, if that helps. Appears to be free of rust and might have original paint. Could be usable, but not showable, if cleaned up considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 everyone has permission now, sorry i had the photos set to friends only. It now has public settings. First time here guys lol. Please take a look at the letter, they are high definition photos so if u can zoom in, its very very high quality and you should be able to read the letter from the LCOC back in 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 And thank you West for the information. I wish there was some other photo viewer that would allow you to zoom in on the photo. I can open it on my computer and see the fine dust specs lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 the interior is very rough, its pretty nasty but the body is, in my opinion, great shape. Needs to be sanded and painted by a professional, the crank turns, hasn't been run in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 i have a video but this forum won't allow me to post it due to the size, so if anybody is interested in more detail, i guess add me to facebook and i can post the videos there, or youtube i suppose, just let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Worked for me. Thanks for fixing it.Youtube would be best I think. Not everyone has or wants a facebook account. Edited June 3, 2015 by Bleach (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) . Edited June 3, 2015 by brian2416 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 ya i'll post the links here in a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 all 4 videos are being uploaded, standby for the link. Mr. Peterson, you and another fella explained to me that the history adds no added value. I find that hard to believe but at the same time, i know you folks are VERY experienced in this field and know what you are talking about. The publicity photos, the fact that for 2.5 weeks, this was the ONLY 41 convertible in existence, etc... That HAS to add some sort of value to "some folks" that find this car as special as I do right? Maybe not Kelly Blue Book value but do you know what I'm trying to say? Am I way off or just missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) and if anyone wants to speak with me directly, hit me up in a private message. my name is Brian, we live in rural Pennsylvania. Its crazy some of the antiques you can find out here in the middle of nowhere and this state is full of so much history, i love it out here. Edited June 3, 2015 by brian2416 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Interesting that you have a southern Oregon number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) Haha yes it is Mr. Bleach, sounds like you hate scammers as much as i do. Im a southern oregon boy, actually im originally from orange county, southern cali. I moved here to PA with my wife, the oregon phone number is all i have left from oregon. ANyway, here are the videos vid1 vid2 vid3 vid4 Edited June 3, 2015 by brian2416 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleach Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Never tried to imply you were a scammer Brian. These days folks can have phone numbers with no relation to where they actually live.Btw, I'd suggest editing out your phone numbers and only respond through the forum's private message system with personal contact info. Otherwise you may you develop an opinion of scammers worse than mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 i'll do that right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Roughly where in rural PA are you? Do you have a good PA title for the car? We are in South Central PA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brian2416 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I live in Hegins, PA 17938 and there is a pic of the title, yes it is a good, clean PA title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Hegins, home of the famous pigeon shoot. I agree with the above posters. Being the first of the year is interesting but likely adds little or no value. According to my books the first serial # for 1941 should be H107688. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The serial # on your title is H107688 which would be the second # for 1941. Yours could still be the first convertible built if the first # were assigned to, say, a coupe. I wouldn't use the term "hand built". Far more likely it was the first convertible off the assembly line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I mistyped. Your serial # is H107689, making it the second # assigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mssr. Bwatoe Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Interesting, Im not certain of the serial #, but Wendle Wilke toured Sylvania / Toledo ohio in late summer 40, in a 41 Cabriolet like yours..You need to take a visit to Benson Ford Research center, look at production records..for additional notes...see zephyr club TWOTZ a couple years ago for pics.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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