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Barry Wolk

I've run out of time, need '42 LZ side hood trim. Help!

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The technology is there, but my head exploded when I got a price of replicating the 1942 Lincoln Zephyr hood trim I need. I know someone that has a NOS trim, but it's the same side as I have. I need the driver's/LH trim that was unique to 1942. They were terrible castings and none exist that I could find that anyone wants to part with. I ordered a replica, but it was cast off a broken spear making it really useless.

The price I got was from a high-end shop, but I need high end work and the first scan I received from my friend at Ford was not clean enough for CNC work, so I'm back to square one. I have one unbroken RH spear that needs to be rechromed. It would have to be stripped and metal finished before scanning, or doctored electronically to get to the true dimensions of the work.

The cost to scan and strip the image and create an inverted file to make the missing side is approximately $4,000 as there's a lot of manual time doing the stripping, so I'm told. I received a price of $4,800 to CNC perfect replicas, metal finish and show chrome a pair. The second part almost seems reasonable, but the first part is quite a hit.

The car is being shown for the first time at Ford's PDC employee show, but has 3 subsequent Concours dates this summer. Does anyone have a pair of spears for sale or would someone rent me a pair to buy me some time to do some further shopping? I'd pledge my first born, if I had one.

Help!

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May sound crazy but could you have a skilled wood worker / artisan duplicate what you have for the other side with appropriate changes to make it side specific, then use that as a 3D pattern? Maybe even someone sculpt it in another medium like clay? That's how they designed the cars the first time anyways.

Just some wild ideas.

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What would happen if you showed it without the trim? There is a good chance someone would volunteer that they had them or knew where they were, if they saw the car incomplete.

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Kinda defeats the purpose of a Concours if the pretty lady is missing teeth.

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So how many years in prison do you get for that?

I know you want it perfect but what is your alternative? If the parts don't turn up you can stay home. Or you could go with the car not complete, and possibly pick up the parts you need or a lead to them.

I don't know how many times I have been to local events and cruise nights, where an entrant was approached by someone who had a car or parts they thought they might be interested in. What's to lose?

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So how many years in prison do you get for that?

I know you want it perfect but what is your alternative? If the parts don't turn up you can stay home. Or you could go with the car not complete, and possibly pick up the parts you need or a lead to them.

That wasn't helpful at all.

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Barry post your request on the Lincoln forum,There is a fellow up in northern Ohio that has a boatload of nos parts.Not sure what years,ours is a 47,a stab in the dark,may help

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Barry post your request on the Lincoln forum,There is a fellow up in northern Ohio that has a boatload of nos parts.Not sure what years,ours is a 47,a stab in the dark,may help

I did, thank you.

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Barry, as talented as you are, can you not think of a way to perhaps cast one in a mold? Maybe solid brass. Of course you would need to find someone willing to loan you their pieces to make the mold. How bout the idea I believe someone else mentioned -- about fashioning one from wood or some other substance for a pattern? Easy to say, huh, but not do?

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If I had a mold I could make a bunch, but a mold is just as costly as CNC and then you have to get a foundry involved. Then there's the failure rate and then there's much more metal finishing and you'd still have to plate it. With a good enough scan the replica is exact. You can't say that for repops. Most everything else required hours of finishing.

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If you can find a pattern have someone digitize the object and 3D print it for a pattern........or simply "plate" the printed product.

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That was considered, but the only printer available to me would only print a 12" section. They would have to be fitted and glued together. A chromer who that does plastic work would not recommend it.

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"With a good enough scan the replica is exact". Until you send out for polishing and plating that is. There will always be variability depending on how hard the plater polishes it and how much copper he applies. Even the heat from polishing can slightly change the shape of a long skinny part. Were it our problem we would make a wood pattern, have it cast in silicon bronze, or maybe aluminum if weight is an issue, metal finish it and have it plated or fabricate it from bar stock. After you have a pattern the actual casting would only cost $100 or so, leaving plenty of time for careful metal finishing and fitting to the car before plating.

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All this model making and fitting and polishing and casting costs for what final price? $500? $1,000? What?

You make it sound so easy when every other shop tells me how hard it is.

When do you start?

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I didn't say it was easy. Unfortunately we couldn't work to your schedule. But for the sake of argument figure $1000 for the pattern, $100 or so for the raw casting, another couple days for the metal finishing and drilling and tapping mounting studs into the back, then whatever the plater charges. We've done harder things. The bronze casting might weigh 5 pounds, which could be a problem. The good thing is that once on the car no one can really see both sides at once so minor differences left to right wouldn't be noticeable. I still think you will eventually find a usable original.

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"another couple of days" "whatever the plater charges"

Sounds nearly as expensive, and weight is a serious consideration. Plus, I don't have an original to make a pattern from, hence the scanning.

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I don't see how scanning gets you any closer to having an actual part in hand unless you are going to go the CNC route. The original pattern work was done without a scanner. Why not cast in aluminum if weight is an issue? What was the poor reproduction you found cast from? Couldn't it be repaired and plated?

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Your best bet is still a 3D printer, there are some companies that can make large format printing. You should be able to get a copy of the original print from the Ford Archives, this will make the proto-type printing less costly. Try this company for your proto-type.

http://www.quickparts.com/promo/low-volume-prototypes.aspx?gclid=CLzdk_qplMUCFUMV7AodvTUAsQ

The Achives web site is

https://www.thehenryford.org/exhibits/collections/Collections/library.asp

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