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A guy down the street is selling a 1964 Mercedes, needs some work, but looks solid from the three pics I have. It's a diesel engine, manual trans. He said it cranks, but doesn't turn over. So at least it's not froze up. I've attached a few photos. Any idea on the value of this? I know it's hard going by just three photos, but any estimates would be awesome and what to look for when I check it out.

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You have to wonder why it won't start. People are more apt to leave a 60 Dodge in their garage but not a Mercedes. I have to think the problem is significant of costly. Not exactly a desirable model. I myself would not even pay the $2500 suggested. What is he asking ?

Wayne

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If it cranks it should turn over.

If it turns over but doesn't start it could be something very simple like bad glow plugs, air in the fuel lines or just something as simple as not knowing how to start a diesel.

Start sequence


1. Turn key all the way to the right -- dash lights come on.

2. Pull start knob almost all the way out -- short of cranking -- and wait for the little red element behind the grill to glow red.

3. When the element glows red, pull start knob harder & crank engine.

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Whew...I wouldn't pay $1000 for it....Mercedes are great of course, but parts are sometimes dreadfully expensive, and without hearing it run...no way.....I'd walk away from this one, always tempting when you see a for sale sign but sometimes letting someone else have the fun is the better course of action.....

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I am somewhat knowledgeable about diesels; having owned a number and worked on many. A diesel that was parked some time ago, by who knows who; could be a real $$$$ challenge.

Don't get me wrong; the non-starting could be as simple as a clogged fuel filter. Which is where you would probably look first.

But if it is anything around the fuel injection pump, let alone the fuel supply pump; get your wallet out.

It is maybe a 1.9D,or a 2.0 D, maybe something else.

A few years ago we bought a 240D, w/ 200k miles on it. It ran fine. We drove it around for about a year and somebody came in and just had to have it. A little hesitant to sell it to a customer; but he had to have it. OK, no warranty, no guarantee, You drove it around and you checked it out. OK, sold. Don't bring it back.

About 2 months later it wouldn't start.

The new owner took it to a, "foreign car specialist". Oh my . Something in the timing gears, chain or belt; what ever that engine had, I'm not sure. The estimate $$$$

So the owner took it back home, and put it in his barn. Yea, no lie, Maybe the same version of your story.

If you can check the engine out, to see why it won't start.

intimeold

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I know this is not what we're here for, but unless i could get it started, it would get a good cleanup and a 350/350 swap. Old Mercs are too rich for this po' boy

I think that would be a good thing to do for this Mercedes, if the body and interior aren't too bad.

While I don't have any experience with diesel engines in cars, I have some experience with small (<100 H.P.) marine diesels. In my experience, I think it is likely that the injectors and the injection pump of the neglected Mercedes would need a rebuild. If Mercedes parts are priced similar to Volvo parts, that rebuild would require $$$$$$$$$$!

Cheers,

Grog

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I got my "greater than" mixed up with my "less than" and meant to say "less than 100 H.P. (see edit history)
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There is no more expensive car to own than a cheap Mercedes-Benz (or Rolls-Royce).

Be not tempted by the low cost of entry on a car you would not otherwise be able to afford. If you can't afford a good one, you definitely can't afford to restore one.

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I have owned a dozen Mercedes including the old Finmobile or Tailfin model you show here. I have found them well made, not hard to work on, and parts are usually available and not particularly expensive.

I might buy that car but would not pay over $500 for it. In fact I would expect to get it for scrap value or a little over. That particular car looks to be in bad shape and may be no better than a parts car. Does he have the rear bumper for it?

As for the engine, if it turns over, 9 chances out of 10 I could have it running in a few hours. If it is plain worn out, they are not that hard to rebuild and parts are not expensive.

But those cars were made by the millions and they are not rare or expensive. If you want one, it would be better to pay $5000 and get a real nice one.

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Mr. Harwood and Rusty have just wrapped it up for you. Two knowledgable men with sound advice. Now run fast right by the Mercedes ! Wayne

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I like that car and it is definitely something I'll be looking for in a few years. The pictures are pretty small and it is hard to see what rust issues it might have, but I'd be happy at anything under $3000. I'd also be expecting to put a lot of money in it and thus the purchase price (under $3000) would be pretty insignificant after the restoration is complete.

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That car uses the 190D model diesel that was eventually enlarged to 2.4 liters and used up to the mid 80s. When you see in the news, all the old Mercedes diesel taxis still in service in third world countries, that is the motor.

A friend of mine who is a fairly good amateur mechanic, rebuilt one in his home garage for a few hundred bucks. It needed rings, valves touched up, a set of gaskets, bearings and that was about it. The car had well over 200K miles on it and when he was done he drove it for another 50k and sold it still going strong.

I would pay a few hundred bucks for a car like that just for laughs, and see if I could get it running. Get it on the road without spending too much and have some cheap transportation.

It should get 45MPG on furnace oil and be a lot more interesting to drive around in than a modern front drive jelly bean. As I said, I had a few of them and they were great cars. I wouldn't mind having one today.

If you buy it, look up Autohaus in Arizona for parts. They sell OEM quality parts like ATE, Bilstein, Bosch, etc for 1/5 what the Mercedes dealer charges.

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Hard to compare cars, but here is a Craigslist ad for a similar car. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/4858325044.html $2750 Looks like there might be a good bit of rust in this one.

Here is another at $1800 that looks to be in very good shape. http://chattanooga.craigslist.org/cto/4873595299.html

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