Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I was told this is a 1924 model T industrial barrel, but I think it's a coach body from the 1910'sits on a model T frame ,body is original but modified in 1968, looking for any information or comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well the steering wheel and column appear to be Model "T" Ford . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The barrel shaped body is was I'm not sure about,was told it was in a Penn coal mine from 1924 till 1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It looks like a home built body. Not sure what a Model T Industrial Barrel is???? Also, it is not a coach body from anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It looks like a home built body. Not sure what a Model T Industrial Barrel is???? Also, it is not a coach body from anythingI agree with this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thanks any info is good, there were so many company's making bodies back then, I just didn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I was told this is a 1924 model T industrial barrel, but I think it's a coach body from the 1910'sits on a model T frame ,body is original but modified in 1968, looking for any information or commentsWhat is an Industrial Barrel ? Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I really don't think it is an old build. It just seems very contemporary to me. The seat, the inappropriate wheels, the wooden running boards etc. aren't things the early speedster builder would have used. I still feel the body is home brewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I really don't think it is an old build. It just seems very contemporary to me. The seat, the inappropriate wheels, the wooden running boards etc. aren't things the early speedster builder would have used. I still feel the body is home brewedYes the wheels, fenders and headlights we're put on in 1968 but the body and frame plus wood firewall and wood frame to body all look like they are from the time period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Could be something home built in the 1915-17 era, just looking to see if anyone ever seen a build like thisi am very happy to hear all your thoughts, I have rebuilt model A's and can see the work on the body seems to be Model T era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 4 Wheel bolts. VW Bug wheels? Take more up close photos, Specially with the hood off. Dash, ect. Looks so 60's or 70's Dune Buggy, T bucket sort of cross. Something built for a Circus clown car. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 About a 90% chance it was done in the 70s or 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry W Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 4 Wheel bolts. VW Bug wheels? I'm thinking maybe Ford Falcon/Mustang wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 That bumper doesn't serve much purpose, behind the wheels like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I don't want to ridicule it, but it looks a bit like Donald Duck's car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I don't want to ridicule it, but it looks a bit like Donald Duck's carNow that's a carnival act of Epic Proportions. Disney does build some old looking vehicles on a modern chassis. I remember when I was at WDW in Orlando around 1974 the fellow driving the Fire Truck on main street said it had a modern AMC-Jeep undercarriage under the newly built teens looking body. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes Toyota spindles and rear end were added in 1968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes Toyota spindles and rear end were added in 1968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Wish as you might you aren't going to turn this into something it's not. It's a cobbled together creation with few if any period parts other than maybe the steering wheel and column. Maybe the cowl was originally from a T but likely this was all created in 1968 or thereabouts. It's certainly not a coach built anything. Sorry to burst your bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes Toyota spindles and rear end were added in 1968, it was titled in MA in 1968, here is a pic of firewall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Firewall pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What's the engine/trans?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28 Chrysler Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The engine has the exhaust on the wrong side for a "T", the transmission lever is for a sliding gear transmission, the handles on the hood are from a hardware store, but the fire wall looks like it is from an early home made speedster.The sheet metal work looks like it may have been built for a Mr. Roger's episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that it's a made-up thing much like the others have said they've seen at Disney. A new-ish creation designed to be reliable and easy to service, but still have an old-fashioned look for parades and stuff like that. Probably lots of crude fabrication under the skin, an industrial 4-cylinder flathead engine of some sort, and basic suspension and brakes. It never was anything and was never intended to be more than a prop for people who don't look too closely at such things. Probably fun to use in lieu of a golf cart for getting around, but not something with any value to collectors. Maybe not quite along the lines of one of these, but something similar that doesn't need to run on a track:But sadly, it's not a real car any more than this is a real train: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Conceivably it could have started life as an industrial BARROW or powered wheel barrow which would jive with it's being found in a mine. Something like a Truckster. This would account for the short wheelbase and relatively heavy frame. Looks like a 4 cylinder industrial engine, maybe a Hercules. More pics would be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Looks almost like a Willys (JEEP) four banger.... Edited February 4, 2015 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 OK, let's do the math.1. Jeep engine/trans2. Toyota rear end3. Toyota spindles4. VW/Falcon wheels5. Home made fenders6. Homemade radiator shell7. Giant, modern seat8. Dubious body provenance9. Odd proportionsIt all ads up to something built in the much latter part of the 20th century. All that being said, if it were mine, I'd loose the seat and the wheels. Adapt some 19s from a Model A. Maybe ditch the fenders, I don't know. The color is way wrong for a T Speedster. I hate it, as it is, but it could be made into a pretty cool car with a few mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Engine is a 1940 willys jeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pontiactree1 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes the engine is a 1940 jeep willys, I want to turn it into a 20's speedster but wanted to try and find out what the body was first the frame and suspension is model T, love the comments and will get more pics, it will be a fun project, car won Mayors choice award at Lake George nationals last sept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Just Google Model T Speedster. There are many type and styles to choose from. Again, IMO, the wheels are the biggest deal killer. Some period looking wires will really transform the car. Also, in the Google images, bright blue is remarkably absent. Red, yellow, black, white, burgandy are very popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Certainly can't be much of the Model T suspension left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 The inside of the cowl photo with the holes drilled though the wood was Model T at one time. That is where the Coil Box mounted under the dash and insulators came though the fire wall. If you really want to Turn this body into a Model T Speedster, I would look for a Model T chassis that one of the hot rod guys took the body off of. You would be miles ahead just Bolting that body to a real T Running gear and frame. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithbrother Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Maybe it's the original TUCKER concept, just needs some SCALLOPS, IMO, Dale in Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Scallops, Yum Yum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emjay Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I've seen some kind of industrial equipment with a shape very similar to the body work from the hood back and perhaps this is what the poster is trying to identify. I tried searching for a photo but I don't have any idea what it was used for. I think it was hung from a crane or something and was a scoop of a bucket. I also think they were used in pairs. It looks very similar to the item sitting outside a place I go by once in a while. I'll keep looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 10 empty holes in the firewall are Model T Ford coilbox pattern. I suspect the firewall is t Ford with sheetmetal homemade cowl added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlLaFong Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 10 empty holes in the firewall are Model T Ford coilbox pattern. I suspect the firewall is t Ford with sheetmetal homemade cowl added.Or, it's hunk of plywood with holes in it for when it was a T engined car. I doubt it is an original T firewall. More likely it was built when the body was constructed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 One thing for sure, the seller is a very happy person. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Assuming it was a real sale and not the seller's buddy bidding to jack the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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