57 wire wheels

[Caballero2]

Another location I have heard about, is behind the back seat back rest among the seat springs. I cannot personally verify this. - Dan

[Guest my3buicks]

Hi my3buicks , I understand your opinion but don't take this personally but as my late father always told me !!!

Opinions are like A...oles everybody has one....and as long as you have got one you are not dead!!!!!

sorry just had to put in some Aussie humor

Matt

Well Matt, you started out your post asking about wire wheels and if they were an option and correct, it has been well stated now that they are not correct for a 57 and furthermore aftermarket wire wheels would be even more incorrect if that's possible. So you ask for opinions, you got more than opinions, you got facts, you can't ask for much more than that. If you don't want peoples opinions and statistical facts, then don't ask for them.

[TG57Roadmaster]

Matt,

Here's evidence on which all are making comments on wire wheels and '57's.

The correct wires, shown on the '54 Skylark, same as '53 wheels.

The '54 brochure page with wires listed as optional on Century, Super, Roadmaster (lower far-right corner).

The '55 brochure showing wires as optional on Century, Super, Roadmaster, to be amended by...

The '55 Buick Spring Fashion Festival insert from BUICK Magazine, showing a Special Riviera Sedan with wires.



The Master Chassis Parts Manual listing for wires that corroborates the above info.



The Product Service Bulletin BPS 2.422, March 22, 1957 with the intro of the Fabricast aluminum drums (and bolts).
(Note that it says the drums were only used on the RM 75 models, but late-RM 76C's also used them per the MCPM).



The Product Service Bulletin BPS 2.427, July 8, 1957 warning of wires and Fabricast drums.



Finally, the BCA Judging Manual reference to wires, page 29...

"7. WIRE WHEELSa. Were available from 1922-1935, 1953 (Skylark
only), 1954 all but Series 40, 1955 all Series, and
none until the 1978 Riviera 75th Anniversary
model. Wire wheels must, of course, use tubes."

So, what have we learned from this? Not much that's new...

1. That Buick didn't factory-authorize wires for '56 and '57.

(Some dealers and/or owners put the optional '54 & '55 wires on '56 and '57's).

 

2. Your Super wears aftermarket rims, you like them, so run them!
(You have the correct steel rims and wheel covers when needed).

 

3. Only RM 75's and those RM 76C's built after the 75's intro have Fabricast drums,
so your Super should be fine as it likely has cast-iron drums. Notice what the first BPS
mentions about AFA's and cars not originally equipped with Fabricast drums. Obviously
some dealers and/or owners put the Fabricasts on series that didn't initially offer them.

(I assume an AFA is some sort of field adjustment or something).

 

4. That the factory warned of using the Skylark and optional '54 & '55 wires with Fabricast drums
four months after their introduction.

Your Super's VIN 5D1134537:
5=50-Series;
D=1957;
1= Flint built;
134,537 Sequential build #, means that it was built late in the model year.
The range for Flint cars is 000,989 to 149,460, so
perhaps someone else can pinpoint the build-date.

I think at some point the roof color was changed, but still can't explain the BX code on the Data Plate.
Just another example of a '57 Buick bending the rules!

TG

Edited December 4, 2015 by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history)

[aziz]

Well Matt, you started out your post asking about wire wheels and if they were an option and correct, it has been well stated now that they are not correct for a 57 and furthermore aftermarket wire wheels would be even more incorrect if that's possible. So you ask for opinions, you got more than opinions, you got facts, you can't ask for much more than that. If you don't want peoples opinions and statistical facts, then don't ask for them.

Ok my3buicks sorry you didn't like the humor but like I said in earlier posts if I was going to a show then the original wheels go back on with the original hub caps and Bias Ply tires:D

BUT IF YOU READ MY FIRST POST IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE'S OPINIONS OF HOW THEY LOOK !!!!!

YES I have read how some people like original wheels and how some people like wires ,but if you have both use them how you like as its a bit like radial tires versus Bias Ply !!!!!! again this is a opinion and we all know what that means;)

TG57Roadmaster , thanks for the info and the data plate information as it is greatly appreciated!!! I contacted the old owner and he still states that it's original and the only photo I have is from the Flint BCA national in 1973 with the same colors .

The last owner for 46 years said it was awarded gold in that show !!!!!

Matt

[TG57Roadmaster]

I contacted the old owner and he still states that it's original and the only photo I have is from the Flint BCA national in 1973 with the same colors .

The last owner for 46 years said it was awarded gold in that show !!!!!

Matt

Exceptionally cool that you have a photo going back that far, when it was basically a 16-year-old used car.

At 30K miles, it must drive like a dream, like a new car! You must and should be very proud.

TG

[1953mack]

OK TG57ROADMASTER and LANCEMB here is the Data plate [ATTACH=CONFIG]287913[/ATTACH]

I have just read the additional information from the last owner and he states :Buick spring colors Duco stock order and code # 1865H-202-57616H Sylvan Grey Metallic combination symbol 57X

The DUPONT code is 2255H

All the paperwork I have on her states that it was a combination paint mix for the spring time ....

The paint is by no means perfect but NOT bad for its age and it has only done 40000 miles.....

the vin # 5D1134537

I hope this helps you guys !!!!!

I WOULD LIKE TO WISH ALL YOU GUYS A MERRY CHRISTMAS !!!!!

Matt

I would like to add to my previous Posts #31 and #34 comments after seeing two more pictures.....one of the VIN plate.....and one of the VIN with the Engine Production Code Number. Could you post those? Thanks.

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

"500 Miles West of Flint"

Edited December 28, 2014 by 1953mack (see edit history)

[buick man]

Regarding some comments regarding the outside paint type. Yes we agree in how the photo appears on screen, the outer paint job does possibly look base coat/clear coat or possibly even acrylic enamel. The inner under pad areas shown on the other hand do look acrylic lacquer. It probably does not matter, but if you want to be 100% sure the outside paint is indeed original be it the roof or body, take some lacquer thinner on a cotton rag and apply it by rubbing into an area that would be inconspicuous and out of sight. You can also do it in an openly exposed area like the roof, hood or sides. If it is indeed, acrylic lacquer then it will come out into the rag almost immediately and can be rubbed back to normal and polished once again with no harm. If it is base coat/clear coat you will see no color tint in the rag. If it is acrylic enamel you will have to rub for some time to get color into the rag. This would be a good test to verify things even if the last owner told you this or that. Lastly, it could be acrylic enamel with a clear coat as well over it. Just some of my charming 2 cents.

….. Season Greetings to All !

[aziz]

Hi 1953 Mack I have just gone out and taken some more pics that I think you wanted

I also took a couple of the paint work so you guys can see that its NOT perfect !!!!

For the people that think the shine is from a BC/CC go to juicepolishes.com.au and have a look at the you-tube videos !!!!!

DON'T get caught looking at the ute being polished:o LOL !!!!

The vehicle was Q cut compounded then speed waxed followed by 4 coats of pure finish wax!!!!

I am totally stoked at how good it has come up !!!!

Matt

[aziz]

Exceptionally cool that you have a photo going back that far, when it was basically a 16-year-old used car.

At 30K miles, it must drive like a dream, like a new car! You must and should be very proud.

TG

Yeah TG it is .. We got a whole stack of stuff with her but I told the last owner to keep the show memorabilia as It is so dear to them ..but he did send the rosette with her on the mirror which is way cool He is a photo of her coming out in to the Aussie sun!!!!!!

Matt

[aziz]

Buick man I tried your test in the drip channel in the roof and it pretty much started to rub up the color immediately.As I had just finished waxing her I didn't want to do it again just yet so I thought that it would be the best inconspicuous place !!

I hope this helps everyone

Matt

[Smartin]

That color looks a lot like 58 Blue Mist.

[Guest my3buicks]

There have been a couple 57's at shows over the years that I can remember seeing in this color, one was a 57 4 door hardtop either a Special or Century (cant remember which) but was a frequent sight at Buick events, i believe it was from the Greensburgh PA area, name is at the tip of my tongue but just can't get it. It had a reoaint and was just a tad darker but definatly the same. Another was Bob Cushman's 57 Roadmaster conv, it was also a repaint but appeared to be the same color with a touch more blue in the repaint. I am sure both cars have had write ups in Bugles of the past Edited December 30, 2014 by my3buicks (see edit history)

[buick840]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]288540[/ATTACH]There have been a couple 57's at shows over the years that I can remember seeing in this color, one was a 57 4 door hardtop either a Special or Century (cant remember which) but was a frequent sight at Buick events, i believe it was from the Greensburgh PA area, name is at the tip of my tongue but just can't get it. It had a reoaint and was just a tad darker but definatly the same. Another was Bob Cushman's 57 Roadmaster conv, it was also a repaint but appeared to be the same color with a touch more blue in the repaint. I am sure both cars have had write ups in Bugles of the past

That convertible is stunning!!

[1953mack]

Hi 1953 Mack I have just gone out and taken some more pics that I think you wanted[ATTACH=CONFIG]288276[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]288277[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]288278[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]288279[/ATTACH]

..... Matt

Your Pic #2 doesn't show the Engine Production Code Number that I was looking for. Any chance of seeing what this number is? Thanks.

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

"500 Miles West of Flint"

[aziz]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]288540[/ATTACH]There have been a couple 57's at shows over the years that I can remember seeing in this color, one was a 57 4 door hardtop either a Special or Century (cant remember which) but was a frequent sight at Buick events, i believe it was from the Greensburgh PA area, name is at the tip of my tongue but just can't get it. It had a repaint and was just a tad darker but definatly the same. Another was Bob Cushman's 57 Roadmaster conv, it was also a repaint but appeared to be the same color with a touch more blue in the repaint. I am sure both cars have had write ups in Bugles of the past

WOW that is absolutely amazing Keith and it does look like the colors of our Buick just reversed !!!!!!

[aziz]

1953mack sorry I posted the wrong photo but here is the one you want I think????

Matt

[1953mack]

Thanks for the requested pics. Here are my additional comments to my previous Posts #31 and #34.

Even after your acknowledgement of what I thought were remnants of Casino Beige #427 paint on the BODY BY FISHER Number Plate, and you confirmed it was tarnish, I am still not convinced that your Number Plate is the OEM Number Plate that came with your Buick, all for the following reasons. Some are repetitious…..some are clarifications.

- If the OEM paint is Dover White over Castle Grey, as you mentioned in your Post #12, the Paint Code number on your Number Plate should read CD (not CCD nor BX 427).

- If the OEM paint is Dover White over Sylvan Grey, as the previous owner mentioned and you acknowledge in your Post #23, the Paint Code on your Number Plate should read CX (not CCX nor BX 427). What have you determined for the actual color?

- If the OEM paint was Castle Grey over Sylvan Grey, the Paint Code on your number Plate should read BX period (not BBX or the number 427 after the BX). That would be contrary to what you are saying (no Dover White) and no explanation for the number ‘427.’

- A change in paint colors within the sweep spear trim on later-production Buicks, would not warrant a different Paint Code on the Number Plate.

- Nothing stands out on your Buick to be a special order item that would warrant a different Paint Code number.

- In your Post #33 picture, it appears that something was installed previously, in a lower position from where the Number Plate is now positioned, and where the difference in paint colors is evident. You would think that with all the adjacent surrounding painted areas being close to OEM factory-looking, and having survived under the same controlled environment under a hood, an OEM Number Plate would retain its OEM paint and condition. You are saying its ‘tarnish’ and I’m saying it might have been ‘tampered.’ Does the previous owner have any explanation for the tarnish and difference in paint colors?

- I agree that your VIN’s last six digits, 134537, out of 149,460 Flint-built 1957’s, says a late-production Buick. Just saying, what are the odds that the last four digits of your VIN are the same as the Fisher Style Number for 56R Models?

- The Engine Production Code Number 376454 out of 405,098 or so, 1957 Buicks built, also points to a later-production Buick.

- However, without knowing how many 56R’s Flint built compared with the other seven assembly plants, the Body Number 9723 (out of 26,529 total built) is difficult to pinpoint as either an early or late-production Buick; another reason to suspect the Number Plate might not be OEM unless someone else has more detailed production records.

- I’m still hanging my hat on the fact that when you see a BX followed by a funny number as the TRIM or PAINT Code information, or on some other area on the early BODY BY FISHER Number Plates (not the later, long alpha-numeric VIN’s), BX = a special order for an extra charge. “X” was used by Buick for saying that it was either ‘something special’ or ‘special order’…..think exported, experimental, 1953 Buick Skylark 76X, XP-300, Bill Mitchell’s 1956X Century, 1958 XP-75, etc. Check out the following three Number Plates that were taken from the Buick Forums, with a BX stamped in the Number Plate, and note that none of the three were painted Castle Grey ( over Sylvan Grey (X). <o:p

Hopefully this puts the BX question to bed.

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

“500 Miles West of Flint”</o

[1957buickjim]

All,

Here is my take on this:

Al, I think you are right on the BX designation, however, I would like to add some details and potential clarifications from the 1957 side:

1 - Usually, the two tone models for 1957 were color above sweepspear, color below sweepspear. Based upon some clarifications by Lancemb, who has owns a 57 Super and has a pretty good insight on the senior series cars, the paint option with just the roof is original. Matt verified that by following Buickman's approach to testing the paint, which indicated authenticity. Matt also checked other areas of the vehicle and all photo's presented thus far show, with a high degree of accuracy that it is the original paint job.

2 - Thus, the BX designation, and the 427 with the paint code, probably means that it was a Castle Gray body, with a special order for the Dover White roof, not the normal two tone paint job above and below the sweepspear. And it was probably a Buick Exec car order, since this is a normal procedure for the Exec's to special order the vehicles with options that weren't totally production or offered to the general public. The 427 designation could be as simple as the sequential special order number for the exec who ordered it. (which it probably was the case considering the number of vehicle eligible exec's during that time frame)

3 - As for the 4537 on the data plate, I do think it is purely co-incidental on the numbering. Based on looking at the attachment of the data plate, and the consistency to which I have seen them on other 1957 Buicks as well, it does not look like it is a phony at all. Also, based upon the body number, it is very possible that out of the 7 plants building Buicks that year, with Flint, probably the #1 production facility, and assuming 50% of the 1957's were built there, (13,264 out of 26,562) his body number would be consistent with being a late year production model as well.

4 - IMHO, I think Matt has a special order, original vehicle, based upon the trim code, probably an Exec car from 1957. I don't think that any of his materials presented are an indicator of anything fishy or different otherwise.

5 - How the hell did we get so far into this, when poor old Matt just wanted to know if wire wheels were acceptable on his 1957?

6 - Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Just my thoughts...

[buick840]

All,

5 - How the hell did we get so far into this, when poor old Matt just wanted to know if wire wheels were acceptable on his 1957?

6 - Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Just my thoughts...

Amen!

[aziz]

WOW I cannot believe that my wheel question could have such an impact on everybody !!!!!!

I have just started a post in ME and MY Buick with the story of our car and how it has come to be in the condition that it is in !!!!!

1953 Mack I can see how you have the thoughts that you have but please be rest assured that its original and it will stay that way ,with or with out the wires !!!!

Jim I think you are spot on except for the executive thing as there is NO mention of that in that documentation that we have , but I'm happy to ask the old owners as we still keep in touch as they are just tickle pink that someone loves the vehicle as much as them !!!!

I'm also happy to answer questions about the vehicle except for who owned it as I think they don't need to be harassed over it .....

Matt

[1957buickjim]

Matt,

I think you have hit the nerve center of a Buick conspiracy theory..and the theorists! As for the people you purchased it from, they may not have any knowledge or documentation, since cars could be ordered specially by junior grade management (supervisors, managers and directors - as we call them in the auto industry - execs) which numbered in the thousands of eligible personnel back in the late 50's. Just a perk of being in the management team for a car company. But it would be worth asking if the person that owned it before them worked for GM /Buick in a management capacity.

By the way, the wires look pretty dang good on the car! I think Buick missed the boat by not offering them in 1957, especially for the senior Buicks.

[aziz]

Hi Jim ,

I sent lancemb some info and it turns out that this vehicle was 20 mins from his home:mad: and he knew of the old owners but had not met them personally....

I have sent off a email to the old owner requesting any clarification if possible to your questions and I'm waiting for a response ..

Like I said in earlier posts that I think some people struggle with is that when just driven around for a cruise then the wires are on but for a show the originals go back on !!!!

I agree with you and think Buick missed the styling boat not offering wires but here we go again with opinions

Matt

[oldstyle]

I agree about the spokes. They look good.

[1953mack]

That scheme was certainly available; I know of one in MN with white top and blue all the way below being parted. I actually bought the stainless trim that separates the roof color off it and the guy gave me the Trim tag so I could have proof of originality. I am nuts, I know. I actually wanted to buy the car to restore since I have many of the parts it is missing, but is too rusted.

Lance,

Could you post a picture of the Trim tag (BODY BY FISHER Number Plate?), as you mentioned in your Post #17, for comparison and clarification of a few on-going discussion items in this Thread? I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

"500 Miles West of Flint"

[aziz]

Here is a photo with the Buick color chip next to car

I have also been trying to find the build sheet but found original tags under the seats

I have also found that the last owner did do some painting !!!!! He purchased touch up paint in 1983 note the code for the paint !!!!

I found this stamping in the hood while I had the ornament removed for cleaning it reads 526 if that means anything???

Matt

Edited January 3, 2015 by aziz (see edit history)

[buick man]

Matt: We realize that this started by just asking a simple question and morphed into a categorical response rally. But we all must surely realize that in search of the truth we with our zeal must get onto these collaborative sojourns of sort now and then. It is after all information we so dearly need to know. I have learned a lot from this thread so far regarding "period correct" for one. What with body slammers, complete rotisserie make overs, graffiti-like customized creations and the like these days, one hungers for just the simple truth that originality brings and that is getting harder to find as each year goes to the next.

My I.D. method regarding paint was stated as such to identify the paint type only not to determine if it is factory applied or not. The receipt for the paint can indicates a lacquer and most likely a quart of it at least. Possibly the only quart bought by the previous owner or maybe just the last quart purchased in a string of possible quart purchases - who knows.

The stamping on top of the hood has me mystified and the seat springs look real good for being what I presume was a north eastern car.

[aziz]

Hi Buick Man ,

I totally understood your paint type test and that is why I went to the trouble of providing the photo of the outcome from it !!!! I also know that the paint purchased was to touch up the trunk and various other little areas that need it ... I have thoroughly enjoyed all the questions and like finding the answers for them ...I was totally chuffed that people on the forum thought that the car had a BC/CC paint job as to me that meant that the 8 days of polishing and hand waxing was a job well done !!!

The stamping on the hood I think might be a date or batch stamp , but I stand to be corrected if anyone knows ...

I may how ever put in some Aussie humor from time to time but it is not meant to do any harm but to lighten up some of these people who must be struggling for a laugh or are so wrapped up in a 400 point car , they have forgotten about the honest Joe who just wants a nice car to go on a nice drive to ENJOY his or her BUICK because you can and should !!!!!

Woops just fell off my soap box !!!!!

As Buick Jim and buick840 said:

6 - Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...Amen!

Sorry Buick Man I forgot to tell you that the vehicle lived its whole life in Chicago until August 2014

[buick man]

Good for you aziz and all the rest of boys need now I would presume is a good crisp 2-page center fold of this beauty !

[bhambulldog]

chuffed means happy?

[aziz]

Well I just received this email from the previous owners and have just cut / pasted it here for you to read

WELL...HAPPY NEW YEAR TO THE 3 OF YOU!

Just viewed your last email with the mention of your TIME SPENT ON THE BUICK BUGLE

FORUM. It is very interesting to hear about the many inquiries from folks here in the states, and elsewhere, about where you found this beautiful, truly ALL-ORIGINAL Buick. It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

As regards to the DOVER WHITE ROOF on Ms. Buick, rest assured this IS AS IT WAS

when I purchased the car from the ORIGINAL OWNER~! This was in August of 1968. You should be in possession of a copy of the ORIGINAL STATE OF ILLINOIS TITLE, which shows

the name of Peter John Jasinskis ( hope I have spelled it correctly!). This gentleman lived in the

immediate neighborhood of the Buick dealership from whom he purchased the car. The name

of this dealership was: VAN MALE BUICK COMPANY, located at 7051 So. Western Avenue,

Chicago, Illinois 60636. If I didn't mention it previously, I was an employee in their New Car

Sales Department, and first noticed the Buick through the large showroom windows, as it was

making its' turn into the dealership Service Department entrance. Being the always friendly guy

that I am, I went into the Service Department and introduced myself to the owner, congratulating

him on the care of his beautiful Buick. Mr. Jansinskis was not the most talkative of chaps,

as it turned out, but was reasonably friendly. He confirmed that he had purchased the car NEW

at Van Male, and always returned here for Service concerns. You should know that each time

that I noticed him returning for Service on future visits, I made it a point to always visit him

in an effort to get to know him better.

It was during one of these visits in the spring of 1968 when I mentioned to him my

personal interest in purchasing his Buick, should he ever want to sell. It was then that he

told me of his plans to purchase what would be his "RETIREMENT BUICK"., a new

Electra 225 2 door hardtop. His salesman, a great gentleman named "Red" Wellman,

confirmed this for me, and added that Mr. Jasinskis would be giving his '57 Buick Super

to some member of his immediate family when he received delivery of the new Electra.

Well, so much for that!

As this story would unfold, during the time that the new Electra was on factory order.

apparently various members of Mr. Jasinskis' family got to arguing about WHO was MORE

DESERVING of acquiring his 'treasure'. This "squabbling" amongst the relatives apparently

upset him so much so that he instructed his salesman to "call that young fellow who always

visited with me in the Service Dept.", and tell him that he could purchase his '57 Buick!

That young fellow, of course, was ME! Mr Wellman delivered the '57 to us on a beautiful

summer weekend in August of 1968. The REST is HISTORY~!

To the NON BELIEVERS, NAYSAYERS and the like, it is a fact that this '57..your

now, Ms/Buick, has NEVER HAD ANY RESTORATION of ANY KIND: NO PAINT WORK,

NO BODY WORK, NO MODIFICATIONS. As close as I got to making ANY changes,

was to eliminate the over-the-axle- factory- installed exhaust resonators, which I thought were

useless. The other modification ( HAVEN'T YOU NOTICED IT YET?) was wiring the

tail light assemblies so that BOTH LAMPS are ON when the HEADLIGHTS are used,

and when the BRAKE LAMPS come ON. The factory wired the tail lamps in such a way

that ONLY the 2 VERTICAL SECTIONS were utilized with the headlamps, while the large

oval tail lamps were strictly used for BRAKES. I think my arrangement of providing

more light at the tail lamps was much better than the factory design. By the way, the

Judges at the various Buick Shows/Meets, which we attended, never noticed this simple

change. And even IF THEY HAD, why should THIS have been a "POINT DEDUCTION"?

Enough of this novel, yes? I am certain that the DOVER WHITE TOP on Ms. Buick

was ORDERED by Mr. Jasinskis that way. The ONLY way, perhaps, to know if the factory

actually painted the top in Dover White would be to ask the question about the stainless

factory molding separating the top from the lower body section, that thin little stainless

molding would indicate the separation of the top color from the lower body color.

Cheers

Matt

[aziz]

chuffed means happy?

You are dead right James and "FAIR DINKUM" means you are serious about it !!!!

Matt

[bhambulldog]

You are dead right James and "FAIR DINKUM" means you are serious about it !!!!

Matt

Thanks for the lesson in English. !

[aziz]

NAH just some Aussie slang mate....

[TG57Roadmaster]

Thanks Matt for relating the history of Ms. Buick. How fortunate you are to have the car and to start enjoying the best part, driving it! You've been very patient through all this and it's awesome to have such a wonderful confirmation from the source.

I've looked (not thoroughly) in the Master Body Parts Manual for the C-pillar trim that separates the two-toning and found nothing. I'm sure we'd find it quickly in a Cadillac MBPM, as it has to be the same trim they used to demark their two-toning on the Series 62, Coupe deVille and likely the Eldorado Seville's vinyl roof. I wonder if it would be mentioned in the Dealer's Service Letters (which I've never seen) or if the Heritage Alliance or an owner have any?

Neat that you found the tag in the seat springs with the car's Job Number.

The pics below are when Jackie Gleason visited the Linden B-O-P Plant (May of '55) to pick up his new Roadmaster 76C, part of the endorsement deal for his new TV show, "The Honeymooners". That's the plant manager, Marshall Boden pointing at the daily Production Schedule.

Larger

The Great One looks pretty chuffed about his new baby, too!

TG

[bhambulldog]

And Jackie Gleason's 76C has Kelsey Hayes wire wheels

Also a Unity spotlight

Edited January 4, 2015 by bhambulldog
spotlight (see edit history)

[aziz]

Please Don't start on the wire wheels again !!!! LMAO;)

Thanks for the information TG as I had read a while ago while looking for a vehicle that Jackie Gleason had one back in 55..

I knew absolutely NOTHING about a Buick 12 months ago and still say I know nothing but are learning heaps from the information that forum members are providing . I hope it is helping other members as well in their quest for information or that are too scared to ask in case they look stupid ...

Matt

[lancemb]

1953mack said:

Thanks for the requested pics. Here are my additional comments to my previous Posts #31 and #34.

- If the OEM paint is Dover White over Castle Grey, as you mentioned in your Post #12, the Paint Code number on your Number Plate should read CD (not CCD nor BX 427).

- If the OEM paint is Dover White over Sylvan Grey, as the previous owner mentioned and you acknowledge in your Post #23, the Paint Code on your Number Plate should read CX (not CCX nor BX 427). What have you determined for the actual color?

- If the OEM paint was Castle Grey over Sylvan Grey, the Paint Code on your number Plate should read BX period (not BBX or the number 427 after the BX).

I don't think this is correct. Prior to spring of 57, there were only 2-letter paint codes, designating colors above and below the sweepspear. After the introduction of the optional colored roof, 3-letter codes were used to indicate a different roof color with the first letter signifying the roof, the second between roof and sweepspear, and third below sweepspear. So, for example, if the car was to be Dover White roof with Sylvan Grey on the rest of the car, it would be CXX, not CCX.

In my opinion, this car is totally original and it is coincidence if the X happens to correspond with the lower color. I believe there was something special about the order, and it may not be evident, and the 427 was likely some sort of sequencing code as previously indicated by somebody. See below.

1953mack said:

Lance,

Could you post a picture of the Trim tag (BODY BY FISHER Number Plate?), as you mentioned in your Post #17, for comparison and clarification of a few on-going discussion items in this Thread? I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Al Malachowski

BCA #8965

"500 Miles West of Flint"

For my pics of a tag as such, please see the thread I covererd here:

 

Edited May 14, 2017 by lancemb
Bad link (see edit history)

[bhambulldog]

Please Don't start on the wire wheels again !!!! LMAO;)

Thanks for the information TG as I had read a while ago while looking for a vehicle that Jackie Gleason had one back in 55..

I knew absolutely NOTHING about a Buick 12 months ago and still say I know nothing but are learning heaps from the information that forum members are providing . I hope it is helping other members as well in their quest for information or that are too scared to ask in case they look stupid ...

Matt

Well we're all learning here.

We've owned our '55 Roadmaster since 1970.

From that time up until this thread, telling and showing that wire wheels from the factory did come on '55 Buicks , I would have and did say that '55 Buicks did not get wire wheels from the factory..

And, I was wrong about that...

[buick man]

…. And a waaay we goo! Have not seen the spec in my books so far. Perhaps the dealers did the roof divide and used the Cadillac chrome piece for the divide. A lot of this went on back then. Always have liked the front seat divider/arm rest that the model 62 Cads had and would of been nice to have had them in Buicks as well. With that said, if someone out there has a Super or Roadie, one could just use a donor model 62 front seat and get it reupholstered in Buick trim.

[aziz]

Well I finally got all the paperwork from our transport dept today and took the old girl out for its maiden(legal) drive with the family .All was well then until we hit about 45mph then the speedo went up to 110 and stayed there until we came to a complete stop ....:confused: So off we went again and it did the same thing at 45 - 50 mph straight back to 110 - 120 mph :mad: until we stopped again .....

Has anyone had this happen before ??????

I have also noticed that the generator is not charging now :confused:

…. And a waaay we goo! Have not seen the spec in my books so far. Perhaps the dealers did the roof divide and used the Cadillac chrome piece for the divide. A lot of this went on back then. Always have liked the front seat divider/arm rest that the model 62 Cads had and would of been nice to have had them in Buicks as well. With that said, if someone out there has a Super or Roadie, one could just use a donor model 62 front seat and get it reupholstered in Buick trim.

I like the concept Buick Man but I thought the idea was to get the wife/girlfriend or date to slide over to you !!!!

Matt