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63 Windlace Installation

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After 8 years, I'm finally putting restored interior parts back in my 63. When I got my car, most of the interior pieces including the windlace parts were in a box in the trunk. They are pretty crusty and even broken in a few spots. I've never actually seen them installed in my car, so I'm putting a puzzle back together that I never saw complete before. If anyone has installed new windlace parts lately, I have a few questions:

1. I assume they attach to the front and back of the door frame, not the door. Sounds like a dumb question, but I just want to make sure.

2. I assume the windlace goes on, then the kick panels and armrest. Is that right?

3. On the bottom they tuck into the sill cover, anybody got a photo of what they look like and how they tuck in on the top?

4. Any advice on having mine recovered or just going with new ones from Clarks? Interior is black so I'm not too concerned about color matching.

Thanks in advance for any wisdom. Thx PRL

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After 8 years, I'm finally putting restored interior parts back in my 63. When I got my car, most of the interior pieces including the windlace parts were in a box in the trunk. They are pretty crusty and even broken in a few spots. I've never actually seen them installed in my car, so I'm putting a puzzle back together that I never saw complete before. If anyone has installed new windlace parts lately, I have a few questions:

1. I assume they attach to the front and back of the door frame, not the door. Sounds like a dumb question, but I just want to make sure.

2. I assume the windlace goes on, then the kick panels and armrest. Is that right?

3. On the bottom they tuck into the sill cover, anybody got a photo of what they look like and how they tuck in on the top?

4. Any advice on having mine recovered or just going with new ones from Clarks? Interior is black so I'm not too concerned about color matching.

Thanks in advance for any wisdom. Thx PRL

Pete.......On questions 1 and 2 your assumptions are correct. The rear quarter windlace tucks into the sill plate at the bottom

and on top it goes to the top of the door jamb where the recessed outer part of the jamb comes to a point with the protruding inner part of the jamb and just ends, with the material on the end of the windlace tucked inside of itself, i.e. tucked inside of the end of it's tubular shape.

At the bottom it runs just in front of the leading edge of the interior quarter trim panel, and when it gets to the last couple of inches from the top, the interior panel protrudes further forward and the windlace tucks right behind it to where it disappears when looking from the inside of the car but is in plain sight when you open the door and look from the outside. Wow .....8 years! I bet you are ready to get done with that project! I would say recover the old ones because all the windlace I've ever bought was not quite done like original and wasn't quite right and didn't fit quite like the originals did. I would redo the old ones using the old material as a pattern

to get them exactly like original.Pete, since the interior in my car is totally original, If I were you I would come down to my shop some time with your camera and take pics of how everything fits together as it is all factory on my car and has never been apart. My Riviera

is always there for a look see if you need to look at something on how the inside goes together. I'm just east of Hiway 75 on Parker Road

exit 30 on Central Expressway, across Parker from the Dart Parker Road Train Station.

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Seafoam-Agree. I think I could benefit from eyeballing and photographing the interior on your car. It's probably the best Riv interior I've ever seen in real life. I'll get with you in a few days to see if we can find a time that works. Regarding the actual windlace, mine are quite toasted and I'm not sure all the pieces are there which might make recovering a challenge. Has anybody out there had any experience with Clark's windlace product? PRL

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Specifically, what holds the rear windlace in place along the door jamb?

The flat part of the windlace is behind the interior side panel and if it's like other 60's GM cars, there are holes in the

flat cardboard of the windlace that the interior panel clips go through that snap into holes in the metal interior quarter panel. In other

words it is sandwiched between the interior side panel and the metal inner quarter panel. The round vinyl covered rubber tube part of the windlace protrudes in front of the interior panel, so that is all you see of the windlace assy when it is installed on the car.

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On '68 models there was a cardboard, or fibre board filler in the metal channel behind the rear door frame pillar flange, and the windlace was tack nailed to that insert, similar to the tacking strips for the front and rear portions of a headliner. As my original fibreboard inserts were in decent shape, I reused them after gluing them into position, and simply stapled the windlace into position, as the rear quarter filler panel pieces covered the flat tacking strip on the the windlace, once they were secured via the pointed brads in the metal edge of the rear quarter panel filler.panel, as Seafoam'65 stated. Also, in '68 there wasn't any windlace used on the front of the door openings as the kick panel pieces were molded out of solid plastic, which was a much better way of finishing the forward portion of the door opening.

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Not sure if 63 and 65 are the same. I have this pic from my tear down. The windlace was stuck to the tabs. The tabs protruded into the windlace. hope it helps

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I took a look at my car today (in the shop for paint and upholstery) and I can see fiberboard tack strips that run up the edge of the door - they're as long as the door is tall and about 3/8" x 3/8" square. The strips should be available at an upholstery shop supply jobber. The tack strips are held in place with some tabs that you can bend out of the way to replace them if necessary. My car had the interior redone before I got it and the OE tack strips were used a second time. Looks like they can go for a third. You'll staple your windlace to them then cover it with the interior quarter panel, and rocker panel trim. I think it tucks under the quarter panel trim piece at the top.

On the front of the door, the windlace is attachced to a metal bracket with some spiky tabs (hows that for a technical term.) That bracket is screwed to the body. Should be a no brainer once you start tearing it apart.

Ed

PS - When I can figure out how to download pictures from my phone to my computer, I'll post some pictures I took today.

Figured it out:

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If you enlarge the picture below, you can see a phillips head screw just to the left of the red wire at the circuit breaker. That's about where the metal fold is that you tuck the carpeted kick panel into.

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I just installed my rear windlaces. I had intended to go visit Seafoam and get some pictures of his Riv. Then, I got impatient. Last night I went out to the garage, opened a beer, lit a cigar and just got down to it. It installs exactly as Ed mentioned above. Installation is very intuitive. Two tips: 1. It helped me to test fit the interior quarter panel and measure where the top curves over the leading edge of the doorframe and mark it with tape before stapling the windlace. There is a small screw that pins the top of the panel to the frame. The windlace extends beyond this screw. Importantly, you must remove the panel in order to staple it to the frame and without the panel in place it's hard to tell where the end of the windlace should fit. So mark it. 2. The bottom of the windlace gets a little crinkled at the bottom when it curves towards the sill cover. I found that a little carefully applied heat coaxes it into place and avoids the wrinkled look. Careful though, that foam and vinyl is easy to melt and distort. This weekend, I'm starting on the front wind laces. PRL

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Reactivating this old thread: since my old windlace was toast, I can't really tell how far up it went. It'd be great if someone cold post a photo--maybe especially just with the door closed, so I can see how the thing should fit at the top of the door. Many thanks.

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Here is the windlace on my totally original never been apart interior on my 65 . DSCN0367.thumb.JPG.3d9e326873d8e6d046104c6408c2ee3b.JPG

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