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Barney Eaton

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Or buy mine with a parts car for under $3000. Vin 1G4EC33C7LB904680. On ebay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/251738948218?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Have a second pair as well, a 90 convert white/blue with 90 parts car blue/blue

First you would have to return a phone call. I contacted you twice and never got a response.

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Walter, I too now have both a black and a grey oil dip stick, after hitting what seems like way too many wrecking yards looking for a "grey" dip stick. It seems that most dip sticks I saw in wrecking yards and at BCA National in Reatta's were black and not the festive, highly desired, pure

grey. Are they really that fragile? Humm.

Well, I am changing my tune slightly. Needing an oil change, I was looking at both dipsticks today. Interestingly, the black handled one has a different part number than the grey handled one. Black is #24500027, and the grey is #25530577. According to the illustrations pdf, the latter grey part number is the only one listed for '88-'90. (The 'business' ends of both are otherwise identical. Same length, hash marks/holes for oil level, bends, etc. So for those of you who could care less about the color, don't worry about it.)

I continue to maintain that Reattas were delivered from the factory with both. One person here, who has owned several Reattas, looked through his photos and told me his have been about 50/50. But for the most detail obsessed, the grey #25530577 dipstick seems slightly more correct.

The '91 Reattas (and '91-'93 Rivs) have a different part - #24500397.

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Walter, My 91 came with a grey handled dipstick. Should I pull it out and get a part number for us? Also, this appears to be the same dipstick that came with the 89 as well as what was included with the 93 Bonneville pull a part 3.8 engine. Thought these were all grey since I recall my Dad's 85 Regal Limited and then the '91 century had, at the time, what seemed to be the same gray handled dipstick that came with the '87 Grand National. I have seen junkers with a black handle and yellow type, but these all had different oil fill caps too so I had always thought these would be grey up until 94.

Saw tbinvie's select 60 went for $2.2k. IMHO, even with what seems like 101 problems, it looks like a better car than the one in Houston. I looked at the Texas car two years ago and it seems like it went through a flood. There's as much rust on that car as there is on my 89 that spent most its life in Lansing (check under the front wheel wells, the body rail connecting the strut towers, all rust). Whomever ended up with the car from Massachusetts, got a great project. I don't care if the Texas car is low mileage, it still needs a complete ground up resto and then some. In fact, I think the select 60 that recently sold came from California. Maybe I'm wrong, but there was a similar one selling out of LA a few years ago with trannie trouble and a pretty beat up top looking much the same. It was stuck in a parking garage from what I recall. Another fairly "rare" 91 black on red combo was up on ebay a week ago, ended with no bids at $695. Aside from the seats, that car seems to be in better shape than the Select 60 in Houston. Just my opinion here not trying to begrudge anyone's treasure.

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The L.A. S60 and TB.'s S60 is the same car.

Car originally came from Chicago (spent many years there). TB probably broke even on the deal (considering shipping from L.A. to Mass.) but IMO, he's fortunate to do so. That's a project car of love because no matter the cost for a rotisserie restoration (that is what the car needs), you won't get your money back in this lifetime.

Walter, My 91 came with a grey handled dipstick. Should I pull it out and get a part number for us? Also, this appears to be the same dipstick that came with the 89 as well as what was included with the 93 Bonneville pull a part 3.8 engine. Thought these were all grey since I recall my Dad's 85 Regal Limited and then the '91 century had, at the time, what seemed to be the same gray handled dipstick that came with the '87 Grand National. I have seen junkers with a black handle and yellow type, but these all had different oil fill caps too so I had always thought these would be grey up until 94.

Saw tbinvie's select 60 went for $2.2k. IMHO, even with what seems like 101 problems, it looks like a better car than the one in Houston. I looked at the Texas car two years ago and it seems like it went through a flood. There's as much rust on that car as there is on my 89 that spent most its life in Lansing (check under the front wheel wells, the body rail connecting the strut towers, all rust). Whomever ended up with the car from Massachusetts, got a great project. I don't care if the Texas car is low mileage, it still needs a complete ground up resto and then some. In fact, I think the select 60 that recently sold came from California. Maybe I'm wrong, but there was a similar one selling out of LA a few years ago with trannie trouble and a pretty beat up top looking much the same. It was stuck in a parking garage from what I recall. Another fairly "rare" 91 black on red combo was up on ebay a week ago, ended with no bids at $695. Aside from the seats, that car seems to be in better shape than the Select 60 in Houston. Just my opinion here not trying to begrudge anyone's treasure.

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I have tracked the Select 60 for a number of years, and for the longest time there was only one missing, a car that was destroyed in a flood during Katrina. then it showed up in Houston, so yes, it is a flood car. I restored the 68-70 AMC AMXs for years and they were never worth much when done, but had a following and over the years would creep up in value. All of a sudden they shot up and are worth as much as the big 3 muscle cars of the day (certainly not comparing them to Shelbies or hemis, but your regular production cars). They made 19,128 of them. Nobody made aftermarket parts for them. Now there is a ton of parts made. I believe the Reatta just might surprise you in years to come. They used to have a saying about Duesenbergs that you never pay too much, just too soon.

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@Bushwack. I already had two project cars I could have turned around when I bought the two Reatta's that have been nothing but project cars since they arrived. When I started lurking on this forum, a comment from Fox W. about the rotisserie resto he had going on his 89, should have given me a clue. He started with something like: "and I don't want to hear about how I could have had a minty fresh Reatta instead". Not a direct quote, but like the more desirable GS & GN cars, the Reatta's saw limited years in production. They made more Grand National's than you'd think If you only tracked prices. Try and find a decent quarter panel for less than some entire 85 - 87 Regals are worth. One and only Reatta I picked over, every day someone (who didn't aready work there) came up and said, "Oh, you better get that part, anybody hits you there, you ain't never going to find a part like that." Like TB says, after market can be a big deal.

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What at makes you guys think the TB select 60 needs a rotisserie restoration to be worth anything?

About 3 years ago I bought a plain Jane 1990 white /red convertible 65,000 mile car here in Connecticut for $1,500

I put about $500 into it to address electrical problems. Cluster bcm alternator. I even got the ac working. I wet sanded buffed and re-dyed the leather and sold it for $7,000 on eBay.

I think the tb select 60 needs a top and tranny rebuild and a good going through and should be worth $10,000

parts are dirt cheap and it came with a parts car.

Even if it needs paint and a long block if it's running and looking good isn't it worth $6k minimum?

the car fax was clean

i wouldn't buy it to make money but what am I missing guys?

the last reatta vert I did was the easiest I ever worked on. Is it the rust that concerns you? I regretted selling that car because it grew on me.

thanks in advance for the advice.

The L.A. S60 and TB.'s S60 is the same car.

Car originally came from Chicago (spent many years there). TB probably broke even on the deal (considering shipping from L.A. to Mass.) but IMO, he's fortunate to do so. That's a project car of love because no matter the cost for a rotisserie restoration (that is what the car needs), you won't get your money back in this lifetime.

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Well figure having just the white seats redone (correctly and not on the cheap) will be $2000 plus, depends if whoever redoes it does it on the cheap or does it right,

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Have to agree with Keith. Some stuff ages well, some stuff does not. The stuff that does not is pretty hard to replicate. New seats especially. New leather is bitchin'.

That goes without saying that you can't enjoy anything as found. Value, especially in terms of something you have invested time into, is prone to subjection. I'm pretty OCD about how I want it but in the end, put up with what I think is a great deal of compromise. Personally, I wouldn't want to drop 10k on yet another Reatta unless it was so clean it sqoke. Love my cars and think I will keep them.

I tell y'all what's funny; a good friend is coming up on 50, isn't happy with the Audi he bought last year, thinking about getting a Ford or something else European, and I tell him he could get a daily driver GNX for about $50k. I see the light come on and realize I probably just talked him into getting a Mazda.

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There are companies like Katzkin Roadwire and Acc that will make a gm white leather upholstery kit for the Rivi for about $650 - including the back seat. The reatta is essentially the same seats sans the rear bench is it not?

I did one for my 88 t-top mustang. Just hog rings and it looks factory.

I had a local pro re make the driver seat leather on my 85 Vette which was hard to match because it was 80's bronze gold. Came out perfect and that cost $400 total to have done professionally.

What else do you guys think is a budget blower?

Well figure having just the white seats redone (correctly and not on the cheap) will be $2000 plus, depends if whoever redoes it does it on the cheap or does it right,
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You better hold on tight to your upholsterer then and not let him know he is doing bargain work. I have had enough interior work done on multiple Buicks over the years to know excellent work done with proper materials doesn't come without a big price tag. You also forget that the Reatta SS has 16 way seats and they are far more intricate than an 85 corvette seat. Did he do it with all new foundation and foam? New bladder for the lumbar support? If not, they were not done right. (in my opinion) Of course that all has to be handmade for a Reatta, where he could just order if for the Vette.

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I've shopped new seat covers and to have them done like new is really about $2k. Another major money sink is all new rubber which will absolutely lead to other suspension work. Weird stuff as these were "hand crafted". I had a problem with my AC in the 91 where the defroster door had come disconnected from the vacuum actuator. That probably cost someone a new windshield and it came to me in the dead of summer with ice cold AC blowing from the defroster vents only, so it wasn't worth the PO fixing. Took weeks to dismantle the dash and fix that. Actual replacement carpet, like the original, is pricey as well.

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I picked it up today.

I will do the 60 right

I've shopped new seat covers and to have them done like new is really about $2k. Another major money sink is all new rubber which will absolutely lead to other suspension work. Weird stuff as these were "hand crafted". I had a problem with my AC in the 91 where the defroster door had come disconnected from the vacuum actuator. That probably cost someone a new windshield and it came to me in the dead of summer with ice cold AC blowing from the defroster vents only, so it wasn't worth the PO fixing. Took weeks to dismantle the dash and fix that. Actual replacement carpet, like the original, is pricey as well.

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Should i I start a new thread with my restoration?

has anyone ever ordered a Acme top from rock auto?

the price is right

I picked it up today.

I will do the 60 right

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Regarding the Acme top: the price may be right, but the product is likely to disappoint you. It is vinyl (as factory) but has a plastic rear window sans defroster. The factory top has a glass rear window with defrost standard. At the price these tops are offered at, I question both the quality of the material and the fit. The last thing you want is to restore the car and then skimp on the top. Especially with a select 60.

I have postponed the new top on my 91 'vert until funds are available to do it right (and the top will be roughly $900, but I'm doing cloth, not vinyl, with a glass rear window with defroster).

If no major crises beset me before spring it will get ordered in the next few months. Going with an EZ-ON as they are regarded as the standard of quality for convertible tops. Yes, the price reflects that but it is worth it.

KDirk

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Never skimp on a cheap top, better to pay once than pay again when you are disatisfied with an inferior product. I personally like EZ-ON tops but prefer Electron tops.

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I found a site that sells the ez top with glass heated rear window for 550.

My local upholstery shop guy says 450 for the install. $50 an hour times 9 hours book rate.

I know you guys are going to say it's on the low-end.

But Is that I too good to be too true price?

Also I'm reading a lot about an optional fifth covered bow. There is no extra cost for this what is it and do I need it?

Regarding the Acme top: the price may be right, but the product is likely to disappoint you. It is vinyl (as factory) but has a plastic rear window sans defroster. The factory top has a glass rear window with defrost standard. At the price these tops are offered at, I question both the quality of the material and the fit. The last thing you want is to restore the car and then skimp on the top. Especially with a select 60.

I have postponed the new top on my 91 'vert until funds are available to do it right (and the top will be roughly $900, but I'm doing cloth, not vinyl, with a glass rear window with defroster).

If no major crises beset me before spring it will get ordered in the next few months. Going with an EZ-ON as they are regarded as the standard of quality for convertible tops. Yes, the price reflects that but it is worth it.

KDirk

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