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I have never used Craig's List. He says he wants to be contracted by phone. I did figure out how to get the phone number. This is the last "dreamcar" I've wanted that I haven't found and tried out. Problem is, I turned 76 yesterday and I just don't think I can take on another restoration like this. I'm seeing 8-10 years unless it is put into an unaffordable full restoration shop. How can it be ten minutes away from you in Cleveland when it is in Pittsburgh?

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I have never used Craig's List. He says he wants to be contracted by phone. I did figure out how to get the phone number. This is the last "dreamcar" I've wanted that I haven't found and tried out. Problem is, I turned 76 yesterday and I just don't think I can take on another restoration like this. I'm seeing 8-10 years unless it is put into an unaffordable full restoration shop. How can it be ten minutes away from you in Cleveland when it is in Pittsburgh?

It's not actually in Pittsburgh, it is just advertised there. The map shows Cleveland.

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Seems to me to be a little too high since it is without an engine, is partly disassembled, and needs so much work. Body looks nice, though. He will sell the buyer an engine at extra cost, according to the ad. I wonder if it includes the transmission also?

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It says "100% complete car". Seems to me that should mean it comes with engine and tranny. I read it that his offer of a rebuilt engine is an extra.

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I would agree normally the price may be high, but i think for a 49 Roadmaster Riv that might not matter

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Well, my DREAM CAR.

If you have desired such a car, certainly worth checking it out.

I doubt it last LONG, we will see, WON'T WE?

Dale in IndyIndy

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4343 units is not really that rare. They built less 39 Special convertible coupes than that. In 1946 they only built 1400-some Special sedanette's too. Now that is rare.

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But we are talking Roadmaster versus Special, right there off the bat is a difference in collectability. We are also talking a rather iconic car with the Roadmaster Riviera hardtop. I have also seen them listed several times over the years on lists as one of the top 10 most desirable Buick models. They built less of my 67 Special Deluxe Hardtop coupe as well, about half, but I am not fooled into thinking that it in any way is more desirable than a 49 Roadmaster Riviera hardtop.

The 49 Roadmaster Riviera Hardtop is also listed as a Milestone car with the Milestone Car Society.

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Here is a 1949 in Sweden ,sold new in Sweden in 1949,not long from where I live.Thursdays meet in Storvik.

Leif in Sweden.

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I've been in AACA for just short of 53 years, and I can't remember ever seeing one of these cars at a National AACA Meet. In high school I bought my second car, a 1952 Plymouth Belvedere hardtop. I've only seen 2-3 of those at a National Meet, but never a 49 Riviera. I've seen one of the Cadillac versions released two weeks later, but never a Rivvie. I've never figured that out.

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Well I went and contacted the seller and asked him clarify just what is considered 100% and if the rebuilt engine is an extra motor or not. He gave me his phone number and I replied by inviting him over to this thread and gave him a link. Perhaps he will respond here to my questions which I think we all share.

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Update: The guy got back to me. Says the sale goes with one frozen engine with trans. For additional cost there is an overhauled engine available. Neither are the original engine from factory. He is a BCA member as well. Wants anyone interested to contact him through the Craigslist ad. Had the car in the Bugle for a while this past year as well.

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I'm certainly NOT a pricing expert, but with that said,in my opinion this car should have sold by now. What am I NOT seeing? Is it a real rust bucket, or is price the issue?

If I weren't so deep into projects for customers, and myself, well, I would really get with the program.

Help me out on the WHY'S this hasn't sold? This would be probably be the ONLY Buick I would restore to original. NO SCALLOPS Mr. Earl.

Dale in Indy

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I'm a tad different than a lot of car guys, with that said, I'M NO BETTER THAN MANY, but I have all the tools, the smarts, and would do it myself, I have undertaken much bigger projects. I would only hire the interior, I bet I could do it, NOT 400 point car, but a beauty, and would suit my needs/desires. I would say putting approx. 15k above the purchase, I would spend only gas money going the 400 miles to get.

But, like I said, I'M TO INVOLVED and getting older each day, hehe.

Dale in Indy

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One person here said he couldn't find the phone number in the ad.

It's listed as (216) 337-1036--that's Ohio--and the seller's name is

given as "Bill."

To find the phone number, click on the Craig's List ad's "Reply" button in

the upper left part of the screen. Doing so reveals more information,

such as the phone number.

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Dale

Just a very few people are doing garage restorations or even paying professional shops to do them. Doesn't matter much how rare or what type of car, NOBODY is doing an expensive restoration. This car could be the poster child for what I mentioned. This car is at that point where the owner either needs to spend $75,000 and get it restored or checks himself and offers it for sale.

So he and thousands of others offer it for sale.

Who would buy this car? I am not being a smart aleck. I am asking a legitimate question. What is the market? Is someone wanting one in California going to buy it, spend $2200 or so to relocate it? How many BCA guys within 500 miles want it? If it was offered in the Bugle for several months, at the same price, why didn't the 7500 + members see the cool factor and buy it?

... The Roadmaster Riviera would be worth $30,000 to $40,000 done if it is a BCA Gold level car, but to get there from this point you would need to spend $75,000 +.

I'd seriously consider buying it if I didn't already have the 49 sedanet. I drove 1300 miles round trip with a trailer to pick up the sedanet last year at a cost of about $500. I've got my own well equipped shop and do all my own work. So no, it wouldn't cost me $75,000 to restore it. I could probably do it for about $10-15K additional, depending on how much chrome work is needed. Just countless hours...

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Hey Ken Churchman (ROOSTER) , This is a project I could see you completing after the 34 pickup...........then you could sell it to me :D

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I agree, that the price looks fair, but there's got some reason it hasn't sold, at least at this writing. Hopefully someone will scoop it up soon. But I think that Imperial62 is right. For the money you would need to spend to make a no.1 car out of it, it'd be way more than its' worth. My '41 Roadmaster is a "garage restoration", but its' not a 400 point BCA car. Looks great and drives great, is authentic, and I get many compliments on it, but its' not to the standards of the somewhat over restored cars I see at shows.

My few centa worth anyway.

Keith

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I think I could do this car for about $50,000 if I had 10 years left. I'm 76, so I don't have 10 years left if I'm ever going to enjoy the car afterward. I've always used good craftsmen who want to work part time at home, or in a small body shop. Result, our 71 Riviera took 9 years for paint and bodywork, and one year for detailing. My '39 Buick convertible coupe took 6 years for paint and bodywork, almost a year to upholster, and a year and a half to detail. So, it's time even more than money. Friendship is friendship and business is business, remember that. I have good friends in the restoration business, but they aren't going to put my car in front to everybody elses job, and they aren't going to work for part time money for me. I know somebody who would do this car for $30 an hour, but he's already loaded up, and he's as old as I am, or more. I ain't gonna happen. Look how old most of us in the hobby are these days. There aren't many 20-somethings these days with the antique car enthusiasm we had in the 1960s. They are more interested in computers, i-phones and all the other electro-technical stuff of this day and time. Sad to say. In closing, DALE, how could you NOT restore a 1941 Series 90 Limited to totally original? This is an even better car than this Riviera.....I had two of them in my day and it is true as the ad said, "it's the parlor car that flies."

Edited by Dynaflash8 (see edit history)

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Dynaflash8, It was never considered, there are enough ORIGINALS out there for me and others to see, so Never thought for a second other than modify.

I grew up in a Buick dealership, every Buick I have ever owned was modified, last time I check the USA doesn't have a law forbidding me from my own expression.

Dale in Indy

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Nope there isn't any law. Since I can't do anything about it, I just don't do any local stuff with my cars anymore. I'm in the street-rod capital of the world here.

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