RU22 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 W153's were military use but at his time everything and almost everyone was military. W21 engines are not very strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I received an Email from this site from a Mr. Tomaz Robic; tomazrobic@gmail.com. Is he for real or a scammer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 When in doubt. Scammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Have you noticed everything stopped when you mention a high price?? These little cars are just not as interesting to most collectors as the big compressor cars. AND they are expensive to restore. Here's a bump for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Agree with RU22. I think it is a very limited market - has to be a real hardcore MB collector as that price range (est. restored value) bumps up against some pretty desirable cars from the same era, including larger, more powerful open Full Classics. Personally, I would prefer a postwar open MB if a smaller MB was what you wanted, and a couple of interesting alternatives (open smaller MB) priced almost identically have been sitting out on HMN, for example, for nearly a year. I have to believe the buyer for ths car would be looking at those as well. Cool little car but tough to imagine restoration costs not outpacing the value - which of course is not unique to this car, it's just that he needs to find that MB person who just has to have it.If this were mine, I might contact the MB CLassic center, see if we can come to an agreement on price, take a smaller, but nearly zero effort profit and be on my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Have you noticed everything stopped when you mention a high price?? These little cars are just not as interesting to most collectors as the big compressor cars. AND they are expensive to restore. Here's a bump for you.Well this little, uninteresting, small compressor car sold for $86,900.00 as-is and went to Denmark. The car will then be restored in Czechoslovakia to Concour standards and it's new owner will enjoy his car. It's not always about how much things cost, this is a significant historical car none the less.Next up is a 1936 Fiat 508 Balilla Spider, an Italian built car, which according to the Balilla Register, they only know of 3 others that survived the war, and this is the only one in the USA and is a welcome entrant for the Italian Mille Miglia.After that we are currently bringing back to life, in it's original colors, a 1959 Talbot Lago Coupe America, chassis 001 out of only 5 produced.I have been in this business for most of my life and I never get tired of it, Life's Good!CheersTom Z.owner catz auto restoration, look me up as there are several other cars in the hopper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Tom Congrats on your sale and for more than your asking price.I can count more balilla convertibles for sale that you think exist. I've run the Mille Miglia Storica several times since 1984 ..... even thought the event has changed the last years I don't think your Fiat has a chance of running without either MM running history or a politically connected owner. It is NOT a Spider Sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 There are several Fiat Balilla's out there but were of Polish, Czechoslovakian or French manufacture, which are different, although similar cars. Great source of information http://www.balillaregistroitaliano.it/index.html. Go here, http://www.balillaregistroitaliano.it/index.html that states that there are only 47 examples of various models of Italian manufacture known to exist, of those 47, 3 are the 4M Spider that I have. They also state that the Spider Sport cars that everybody is crazy about, that out of a total production of 79, only 147 are out there today! So roughly 1/2 of the know examples are fake and fabricated from the 4M spider that I have here. Let the buyer beware!As far as the MM goes I have this correspondence from them as far as eligibility;Dear Sir,I am glad to let you know that the 1936 Fiat 508 Balilla 4m Spider is eligible for Mille Miglia and being of Italian manufacture would be made higher on the points acceptance list.Best regards,Valentina Alghisi StageurVia Enzo Ferrari, 4/625134 Brescia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) TomI owned an overall Mille Miglia winner and and ran it several times in the MM Storica. I am sorry the new group running the event has lowered the quality of entries so much as to allow cars without any real MM history. I recall the quote of a old friend. "Every puppy has to have a name" Honestly good luck with all that.And please it is now the Czech Republic Edited November 21, 2014 by RU22 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 I apologize for the Czech Republic, I took the information from the Fiat site. Being of Polish decent myself I know what that means to you. As far as lowering the standards; the MM need's diversity as there are not many actual MM participants available to choose from and without that diversity it would always be the same cars running. This is a very original, honest Italian Built car for which there are only 3 examples left and far rarer than the Sport Spider although not quite as sporty looking.Nice looking BMW!CheersTom Zebrasky which was "Americanized" when my grandfather came here from Poland to work at the steel mills, the original spelling was Zebracki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) TomThe MM Storica was always an exclusive event from 1983 till just a couple years ago they generally had 1500+ applications for aprox 300 spotsOur Balilla Coupe (Simca Faux Cabriolet) is part of my wife's collection ....like your car very low mileage 16,000. Wood and metal are perfect. We looked for a long time to find it cost was 2000 euro. I have driven a car like yours in Malaysia. I doubt that it's in the register but it's real. Honestly one day I was at a tour with my 1914 T-Head Mercer A fellow came up and offered to trade for his Mercedes 300SLR "Cool'' I said " Just like my friend Jenks had a run in. 8 cylinder, supercharger, Alloy body!!!" Oh no my car is a 300SL 'roadster'' I then suggested he talk with a Stutz owner. No matter how you spin it it's not a race car. And I you've seen a real sport you wouldn't even try. Like Harry said "Every puppy has to have a name" Edited November 21, 2014 by RU22 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Very impressive work on the Talbot.I have to agree with RU22, though, regarding the Mille Miglia. They didn't need to modify previous rules in order to get a good selection of cars. If the rules have indeed changed, it sounds as though almost anything can be accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) The last time I ran the coupe they gave me the number 112....... that the Italian 911 number!! I think in all the events in all the world I have run It was the most dangerous....... the adrenaline was wonderful for three days straight. 2002 the last time I slowed to around 100mph and asked my co-pilot "How fast you think we are going?" His answer was 50....... for two days we'd been doing well over 100........ you always had to watch local traffic. AND be ready to get out of the way...... IT WAS WONDERFUL !!! I am sad things have changed Edited November 23, 2014 by RU22 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Wow, good job on the sale. I was thinking at least 20k less. MB prices seem to be going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Mack_CT Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Nice job - congrats. Any U.S. interest in this car - make no mistake, a cool car, not uninteresting, but I thought a little bit of a narrow market. Not surprised buyer is oversees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LLongoria Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hello is this car still for sale and could you send me some photos. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Sorry, it found a new home in Denmark.CheersTom Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zobian Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I sold a 1934 Fiat Balilla Spider Militare (which was still on Ethiopian plates when I bought it near Detroit) to a professor at Univ. of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He later moved with it to North Carolina, and I lost touch with him. So, there's probably at least two Balillas in the US. I think I still have the Ethiopia plate off that car.Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I would like to have that plate if you will part with it! My car is a 36 which is a different car but very similar and Italian built. I am sure the Balilla registry would love to know about it!CheersTom Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zobian Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hi Tom,I would sell the Ethiopian license plate. What's your offer?Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hmmm... can you give me a picture? Is it dated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zobian Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 No, the plate is not dated. Ethiopia was an Italian colony and Italian plates are not dated either. The plates stayed with the car (and actually belonged to the government). I got the plate on a 1934 Fiat Balilla Spider Militare that was made in Italy for use in Ethiopia. The plate is original, but not perfect, as you can see in the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coolcatz2 Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 That is really cool but I do not even know were to start for a price. Do you have a figure in mind? I would like to have it for the car.Cheers and Happy New Year!Tom Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zobian Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Tom, I've had this license plate for about 40 years and I had never thought about selling it. Perhaps we should move our conversation away from the forum since this is off the original topic. My email address is przobian@gmail.comPeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU22 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Tom How often does that "I have no idea the value" thing work for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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