alsancle Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I wanted to start a thread on Reo Royale. I'm putting it down here in the CCCA forum instead of up in the Reo forum because the Reo guys will come down here but I'm not sure the CCCA guys will go up there!I have always liked the Royale because of its styling and I gravitate towards big straight 8 engines. Introduced in the fall of 1930 for the 1931 model year the styling was 3 or 4 years ahead of the curve. As a 12 year old I have vivid memories of my dad's giddiness when he discovered the two Royales in Bill's Junk Yard down in Rhode Island had a bunch of Model J Duesenberg parts attached to them. Quick Overview. There were basically 3 models, the 8-31,8-35 & 8-52. The second number indicates wheelbase, 131,135 & 152. There were also 1 to 3 coachbuilt bodies put on a 148 inch wheel base which have come to be referred to as 8-48. In 33, the 8-31 became the N2 and the 8-35 became the N1. I think the 52 was dropped.The 8-35 & 8-52 are considered full CCCA classics. The 8-31 was basically a Flying Cloud with the Royale underpinnings. I find the 8-31 interesting because it is a smaller car that got the bigger engine which became a popular performance technique with manufacturers in later years.There were 4 standard factory bodies, a Victoria, Sedan, Conv Coupe (made only in 31 & 32), and a 3 window. At least one convertible Victoria was built on the 8-35 chassis. There was mention of 3 coachbuilt Dietrich cars on the 8-48 chassis. One of those is known to have survived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 There are 10 to 12 of the Convertible Coupes known to still exist. I think there were 50 originally built. Much like Packard, The convertibles were built by taking the 3 window and removing the top. Much unlike Packard, no 3 windows have been turned into convertible coupes - as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) So how many Reo Royales were built in the three years? Does the convertible victoria exist? Edited July 5, 2014 by K8096 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Can someone post engine and chassis photos and comments? What shocks. steering box, brakes, ect did they use on the REO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Jason - good question. I have no idea and have never seen full production figures. I'll see what I can find.Ed - I'll dig up some pictures. The engine is a 125hp 358 cu. in. straight eight-cylinder. Most cars were delivered with a 3 speed but a 4 speed was a 50 dollar option. I think the 4 speed was a Warner but not sure. Brakes are juice and many of the components are shared with Model J Duesenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 The convertible victoria is not known to have survived. The picture I posted is the only one I have ever seen of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 The 3 window coupe is very rare with 3 or 4 known to my knowledge. This is the one that Barry Brown found in a garage in Canada where it had sat for 50 years. I would own this now if I didn't get talked out of it. It is now in Ohio hopefully being restored. There is a beautifully restored one with wood wheels down in Texas that is fairly regularly seen on the Concours circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I've stood next to the purple car, and while the color isn't my favorite, it was easy to see why the car should be, and is, a Full Classic..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 The purple convertible coupe was restored to match the catalog colors by John Barker who was the Royale club expert for many years. It is now in Sweden. The colors are not for everyone and I think definitely hurt the resale price. However, they did build at least one with those colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Is the color based on the catalog illustration, or is there documentation that one came from the factory that color?A lot of catalog illustrations are just artist's misconceptions.The car would be so much classier in a more sedate paint scheme.....all that said, would love to have it in my garage, complaining about the color!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 It was my understanding that they did build one but who knows. I do know that the build records exist so the record could be somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 The Victoria was a closed 2 door with seating for 5. The trunk was an option although it seems most cars came with it. There are 5 or 6 known 8-35 Victorias and maybe 2 or 3 of the 8-31.Not the factory photo with the polished top and no accessory trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) There was thought to be 3 8-48 chassis built with custom bodies by Dietrich. This is the long survivor. The 2 others were a convertible victoria and a convertible sedan. I'm wondering if the convertible victoria is confused with the 8-35 car I posted earlier in this thread. The body on this car is identical to the 835 Packard that was in Harrah's collection for many years and then to Nethercutt. Edited July 7, 2014 by alsancle (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 If you get out your CCCA register (I was looking at the 2012 one) you will see that out of the 10 or 12 Royales in club, 80% are 8-35 Sedans. I assume they high rate of survival correlates to the highest rate of production originally. This particular car has the wood wheels which are known to be on only a 2 or 3 surviving cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 The 8-52 long wheel base cars were only built in 1932 and seem to be exceedingly rare. There are only a few known (2,3?) to survive. I don't know if anything other than the sedan body was ever mounted on this chassis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Harwood Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Here are some engine and chassis photos of the silver/blue convertible coupe shown up above. The owner is a friend of mine with one of the most spectacular collections of high-grade #1 quality American Classics. By far my favorite collection to visit.Several innovative features on the Reos, including hydraulic brakes. This one might be ridiculously over-restored because there's a lot of bling on the engine. It's one heck of a flashy car. Shockingly, the restoration dates to 1984, when it was both an AACA and CCCA National First Prize winner. It's still excellent, although you can see some wear on the moving parts and the result of a little brake fluid leakage on the master cylinder. A very impressive car nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 I think all the chrome on the engine is correct with the exception of perhaps the heat tube and the head bolts. The finish looks to be a bit shiny of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Matt,That is a really nice looking car. I see the owner had a common issue which is finding 650-18 tires. The 700-18s that are on the car make it impossible to install the sidemount covers. There are a number of choices in the 700-18 size but nothing in the 65-18. Maybe when you get a chance you could ask him where he found it. This is one of the 10 or so known convertible coupes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I agree. The engine compartment looks normal to me, too. When you say "over restored with a lot of bling," you make it sound as though it doesn't belong. The car doesn't come across to me as being over restored. If I remember correctly, this car was sold at auction a few years ago, out of a Pennsylvania collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 If you get out your CCCA register (I was looking at the 2012 one) you will see that out of the 10 or 12 Royales in club, 80% are 8-35 Sedans. [ATTACH=CONFIG]257342[/ATTACH]If you look at the current Directory, 100% are sedans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I've stood next to the purple car, and while the color isn't my favorite, it was easy to see why the car should be, and is, a Full Classic.....There are two purple cars. Both of which are illustrated above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimacar Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The one I saw was the one with chrome/stainless wire wheels.....these are great cars for sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 If you look at the current Directory, 100% are sedans.By current count, there are about 20 known cars that are not 8-35 sedans. I would like to figure out original production. Some of the standard reference guides state production in the thousands which I do not believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 The one I saw was the one with chrome/stainless wire wheels.....these are great cars for sure....From a color perspective, I actually prefer the other with the painted wheels. That said, not sure I would be painting anything other than a Challenger plum crazy purple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoringicons Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) One of the Purple Royale Convertibles was here in the Detroit area and did the show circuit for a couple of years before being sold to another Detroit area collector who had it repainted all silver (!!!!) about five years ago or thereabouts.I recently was able to drive a mostly original, low mileage Royale sedan and was extremely impressed with how nimble and easy it was to drive. Much easier to handle than many of the other Full Classics of the same year. Edited July 10, 2014 by motoringicons (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 So the two shade purple and silver car are actually the same one. That eliminates one convertible coupe from the survivor list. There are probably a couple more cars that have been painted so they get counted twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Here are some pictures of the sliver convertible coupe. I apologize for their size but it is all I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 The 8-31 cars seem even more rare than the 8-35. This is a Victoria which was recently bought a forum member. Maybe he can post a few more pictures soon since he just got it home It is a nice shot of how big the engine is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Here's a photo of a Reo Royale 3 window coupe. It looks like it's one with the longer hood. This photo was taken in front of a home in Silver Lake, OH which is just a couple miles Northeast of Akron, Ohio. The home still exists as I've driven past it. While Akron was home to Goodyear & Firestone, there were also numerous smaller tire manufactures in the area as well. The tires on this Reo were made by Falls Rubber Company of Cuyahoga Falls, OH. Cuyahoga Falls is the suburb in between Akron and Silver Lake. The tires were called Falls Roadmasters. Another interesting accessory on this car is the oval driving light. Edited July 15, 2014 by K8096 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Great photo Jason! Those tires are really cool. Also, I don't think I have ever seen the chrome spokes with painted rim treatment before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pludge Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The REO Royale pictured on the right, was found in Chicago about 2 years ago. Some mechanical work has been done but it still needs more. It ran and drove for the first time last week after 50+ years of sitting. It will be making its debut at the REO National meet car show in Lansing Michigan on Thursday. The plan is to leave it in original condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 The REO Royale pictured on the right, was found in Chicago about 2 years ago. Some mechanical work has been done but it still needs more. It ran and drove for the first time last week after 50+ years of sitting. It will be making its debut at the REO National meet car show in Lansing Michigan on Thursday. The plan is to leave it in original condition.Is this the one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 It looks like the sedan in the above post has stainless spokes on the wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8096 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Here's another victoria finished in restoration red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 I believe this car is owned by a REO club member in Texas. I like the colors but would of course lose the whitewalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 In regards to the painted wheels and stainless (or chrome) spokes...It seems that there are several cars that have had this beautiful treatment done. I find it very interesting, though, that on the restored cars, everyone has chromed the lock rings. The factory photos (and the photo of the original car from Chicago), show that the spokes only were plated. The lock rings were painted the same as the wheel (even on the cars with all painted spokes and wheels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 The chrome lock rings have a better chance of going on without getting destroyed, at least that would be my theory. I saw a Duesenberg done with this treatment that I really liked, however it was converted to all chrome before it hit the show circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 Here is the Dietrich sometime in the 1960s after the first "restoration" and before the second one in the 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pludge Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Yes that is the one. Having trouble with the carb. Car starves for fuel but dumps gas out of the carb. Not sure where to look for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagerodshop Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Here's another victoria finished in restoration red. I am not sure who in texas used to own this car, But I am pretty positive this is a old picture of my Reo I bought last fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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