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1937 Studebaker President Coupe - part 2 Restoration


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The extraction was a huge success! It is now at home and the fun begins. I have the original title for the car and everything matches! The goal is to restore the car as original as possible. I doubt it will score a 390 out of 400 at a Studebaker convention but I am shooting for the stars!

First things first. Need some wheels/tires for the duration of the restoration, something cheap. I had three different reports of the wheel bolt pattern and once I got it home, measured and verified with a wheel bolt pattern gauge, this president has a 5x5.5 or 137.9mm wheel bolt pattern with a 3.75" or 95.3mm hub bore. Ironically a 2003-2008 Kia Sorento steel wheel has the exact same dimensions, just 3 inches wider 16x7 versus 16x4.

If anyone knows of some original Studebaker wheels let me know I have one, need three more.

The car was originally California Grapetone Maroon so that is what I will be going back with.

This will be a significant undertaking for me. I have customized numerous modern cars but never worked with something this old and "rusty". I want to get the body off of the frame and start with the frame and components.

I have no idea why the car was parked originally but it was parked in 1955 and not run since. My fear is something internally with the engine like the crank. I have heard about the crank fractures and from an engineering standpoint I can see the problems with the long crank and the technology back then with the bearings. I would like to talk to anyone with experience with this engine.

TJ

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Assuming the engine isn't already destroyed by rust, it should be rebuildable. Don't worry about the long crank: there are nine main bearings. Call Dave Thibeault in Maynard, Mass - he can supply many of the engine parts and can get the engine rebuilt for you by an excellent, experienced shop. I was discussing the rebuild of one of these engines with Dave, just this afternoon. He knows how to address the issues of availability of pistons and main bearings.

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You can get the pistons from Arias. http://www.ariaspistons.com/ and cam bearings are available. Gasket sets from Olsens. Original valves can be found or from egge. The main and rod bearings are the tough items. Don't worry about the long crank. These were and are good motors. The grapetone maroon is one of the most beautiful colors stude ever used. You will like it. Keep us posted on the progress.

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Awesome! That is great news about the motor parts. The motor is still all sealed up. All 8 spark plugs present with wires still connected at the distributor. Air cleaner and carb are still attached. I will post pics ASAP.

But first, the hood is unlatched in front. How does it open/raise up? It is up about 3-4 inches in the back. Does it raise like a conventional or is that it and you take the sides off?

The passenger door is shut and the handle does not turn. It could be locked? The lock has a cover that swings out and says Yale. Any idea on a key or replacement locks?

Tomorrow I will post pics so when I ask about stuff everyone has a better idea of what I am talking about.

TJ

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if I were you..I wouldn't worry too much yet about that motor, if it were me ( and I did this with my straight 8 in my '33 chrysler) I wouldn't tear apart the engine yet, so long as a rod isnt going through it..that might be a good sign, first thing I'd do is pull the spark plugs and pour a teaspoon of ATF or Marvel mystery oil down each

spark plug hole..let it soak for a couple days, get a hand crank or racket or what ever to see if it can turn by hand, if you can get it to turn by hand,good sign, next if you hear the compression that a good sign too, then get a new set of spark plugs..and you don't have you go to a specialty store to get them, i got my plugs for my '33 Chrysler at shuck's..14mm autolites..then get battery cables, battery, file the points and gas down the carb..and your engine might be just fine, check to see if it's got oil in it. Be leave it or not my '33 Chrysler sat for 40+ years..and it runs like a top..so you don't know until you check don't assume something is broke. that's how a lot of people who get burnt out cause they fix everything even things that don't need it..then they are out of money and patience. Good Luck! Benny

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98blackass...the hood ornament on the front of the hood will turn 120 degrees counterclockwise as viewed from the front of the car to unlock the hood...then it raises like a modern hood . the fact that your hood is raised about 3-4 inches at the back is because the hood hinges are binding with rust; weather from sitting so long ..spray each with WD-40 or equivalent penetrating oil and let it soak in then try to open the hood ....slowly so you do not damage or bend any component .

In 1937 Studebaker only had a keyed lock on the passenger door ...to unlock it go across the front seat from the drivers door and pull the door handle back to the open position ..see if this unlocks the door ...to lock the door you push the door hand forward until you feel the lock detent ...this was the way door locks were incorporated on many makes in the thirties ...

nice car and am looking forward to seeing your progress and pictures posted. Regards Frank

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if I were you..I wouldn't worry too much yet about that motor, if it were me ( and I did this with my straight 8 in my '33 chrysler) I wouldn't tear apart the engine yet, so long as a rod isnt going through it..that might be a good sign, first thing I'd do is pull the spark plugs and pour a teaspoon of ATF or Marvel mystery oil down each

spark plug hole..let it soak for a couple days, get a hand crank or racket or what ever to see if it can turn by hand, if you can get it to turn by hand,good sign, next if you hear the compression that a good sign too, then get a new set of spark plugs..and you don't have you go to a specialty store to get them, i got my plugs for my '33 Chrysler at shuck's..14mm autolites..then get battery cables, battery, file the points and gas down the carb..and your engine might be just fine, check to see if it's got oil in it. Be leave it or not my '33 Chrysler sat for 40+ years..and it runs like a top..so you don't know until you check don't assume something is broke. that's how a lot of people who get burnt out cause they fix everything even things that don't need it..then they are out of money and patience. Good Luck! Benny

btw I'm going on the assumption that the engine isnt all torn a part..if the heads off then yea..rebuild.

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TJ

I suggest you get in touch with Jerry Kaiser. He is in Marana, AZ and did a restoration on a 37 President Sedan. Absolutely perfect and beautiful. He has pictures of his build and will share them with you as he did with me I am sure. Here is a link to an article about him. You can email him at: studeblu@gmail. com

He is also parting out a 37 President and may have items you need. Great guy.

http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/View_Listing.asp?ListingID=COL10022118&From=F

Another person you might make contact with I Jerry Kurtz. He just completed a President Coupe. Another perfect and beautiful car. He rebuilds and modernizes stude transmissions. His handle on the forum is Jerezstude. There are pictures of his metallic green coupe on the forum somewhere.

I have information on where I found various items for my car as not all vendors have the same items. Ask and maybe I can help. Looks like it helps if your initials are JK.

I found a picture: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?77302-37-president

MORE PICTURES PLEASE

SB

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I found the dipstick and pulled it out and the oil level is just a hair below the full mark! I found the two caps for the water pump and unscrewed those and the water passages are plugged with rust colored gel. The positive is that it was not dried and crusty.

There are no interior window crank handles or door handles so opening the passenger door is still a mystery. Then again I haven't investigated that issue very much.

The first order was to get some cheapo wheels and tires, which I found 1994 Chevy/Geo Tracker wheels and Craigslist special tires for real cheap. Hey they are round and hold air... They will serve the purpose of being able to roll it in and out of my garage.

The process of getting it titled in Colorado has begun. It’s a shame I have to surrender the 1966 Nebraska title original but I have made some very good color copies! I have secured a 1937 Colorado License plate which I can use in the date of manufacture program here in Colorado.

TJ

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I see you are in Central South Dakota. If you are around the last weekend in June (26-30) I will be in Sturgis showing my 2002 35th anniversary Camaro at the Camaro rally. I would love to meet up with you and check out your car. PM me your address so we can get in contact!

TJ

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Rex and others may be able to provide additional information on the interchange of the straight eight but I have seen adds recently for a straight 8 engine in Indy and a complete 41 President for sale in Michigan for scrap price but the problem of course is distance for you - but I'm sure that you will be able to find parts to get the engine in shape. Tom Lewis is in the mist of a restoration of a 37 President Coupe, he too is a great guy and should be a great source of info for you. Tom posted on his progress on the SDC forum and perhaps this one. PM me and I will send you Tom's contact info. Good Luck on restoring a great Car!

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Hi,I have the same one,nice car,on the firewall is a stamp code,also is a code at the left side frame ,behind front left wheel.What does yours say,also stamp on left side of engine near generator.Have fun. Steve,from Michigan sfrappier@sjschools.org

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I found the dipstick and pulled it out and the oil level is just a hair below the full mark! I found the two caps for the water pump and unscrewed those and the water passages are plugged with rust colored gel. The positive is that it was not dried and crusty.

There are no interior window crank handles or door handles so opening the passenger door is still a mystery. Then again I haven't investigated that issue very much.

The first order was to get some cheapo wheels and tires, which I found 1994 Chevy/Geo Tracker wheels and Craigslist special tires for real cheap. Hey they are round and hold air... They will serve the purpose of being able to roll it in and out of my garage.

The process of getting it titled in Colorado has begun. It’s a shame I have to surrender the 1966 Nebraska title original but I have made some very good color copies! I have secured a 1937 Colorado License plate which I can use in the date of manufacture program here in Colorado.

TJ

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Good luck getting your license plate to work. I went through all the hassle, and they said "that letter number series is already in use so no-no." The combination cannot be used if there is any license plate in Colorado TODAY that has that same number- not just 1937. What!!!!!

Grand Junction, Colorado

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TJ,

Think that you may have a later engine then 1937. I notice that you have the later cast iron head instead of the aluminum head used from 1935-37. Not a big deal since at least half of the cars that came with the aluminum have had them swapped out in favor of the more durable cast head anyway. What I can't tell is how the water pump is driven, through 1937 it should be driven off the back of the generator which uses a shaft and reinforced cloth flex joints. Engines built 1938-1942 used a water pump with which would probably be more familiar, on the front of the enginne.

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The water pump is indeed driven off the generator! It was a new one for me when I saw it. generator and waterpump turn freely.

TJ

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Progress last weekend... Here are some better pics of the engine. Definitely generator driven WP. Letting the rusty bolts soak for a couple of weeks and most gave up their hold easily. There were a few that just weren't going to cooperate. Will need to buy stock in an nut and bolt factory upon reassembly!!!

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Any one know for sure, are the rear fenders the same for coupe and sedan on the 1937 President/Dictators?

Thanks,

TJ

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Door latch mechanism... Outside door handle turns, inside rod moves with interior handle but latch does not operate. Flat head screws are being obstinate. Any tips for getting the flat head screws out?

From the inside the door handle lifts up or down to open? I'd think up. From the outside down would open as well??? The gray aluminum/pot metal looking thing does not seem to turn...

Door Hinges, It looks like there is a pin with a head on the top side, does it come out like and interior door hinge pin? How best to remove the doors?

Thanks,

TJ

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Before getting too rough with it try Tri Flow it is a teflon penitration/ lubricant. Also its much cleaner than PB buster, just apply it everytime you walk past

or at least once daily.

Nice that you had the vision to save her

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Most cars the turn the inside door handle clockwise to open. Outside they turn down on every car I have ever seen. On Studes of this era you lock the door by pushing the inside door handle COUNTER-clockwise. So your door might just be locked. If you remove the inner door panel you can probably either fix or at least release the door latch.

There have been many discussions on the SDC forum about how to get door hinge screws out. Heat, impact drivers, penetrating oil, and patience are probably the keys. Worst case you can drill them out but they might be hard to come by. I would try to get at least one out and have replacements in hand before getting brutal with them. I have no idea if or how the hinge pins come out.

Nathan

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For the screws I used a propane torch to heat and then spray with cold water. Repeat. A combination of acetone and auto trans fluid is a good penetrating fluid to spray with also. Combined with an impact driver they eventually came out. Work them back and forth. I have one more trick so if that doesn't work let me know.

The interior door handle on mine is pointing down so it goes forward to lock and back to open the door.

You should be able to remove the doors and leave the hinges on the body making it easier to work on removing the hinges. The door hinge pins will drive out and can be replaced if worn. There is a "cap" just under the head of the pin also. I believe I tack welded it to keep it from moving.

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I got a call from a restoration shop in Virginia that they have a number of parts

for sale for sale a 1937 President coupe that they modified.

Bumpers , hood , headlights etc.

Send me a PM to get info.

Robert Kapteyn

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TJ:

Looks like you need the Arch Bar and Gusset, as well as the Brace Rods for your President. To the best of my knowledge, the Arch Bar and Gusset are the same for Dictator and President, while the Brace Rods would simply be longer for President.

I have a spare Arch Bar and Gusset, and can provide you with pictures of the Brace Rods, or even get you the

Dictator Brace Rods and you could use them to create longer ones. If interested, email me at:

drdon1111@aol.com.

In addition, if you are in the Denver area, I could bring them with me next week. I will be in the Evergreen/Conifer area for a couple of days.

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DrDon, thanks for the kind offer with the arch bar and gusset. Another member from Arizona had the bars, gusset and arch bar so I am set with those parts.

Over the weekend I popped the spark plugs, all were dry and looked like the motor had run just yesterday (dry and powdery). They were not very tight, a socket and my wrist action was all it took to get them out. The more I dig into the motor I see no reason why it shouldn't run. I have put a wrench on the crank pulley nut and other than the nut being loose I couldn't turn it. I didn't try very hard either. I think I will put some ATF in the cylinders and let that sit for a week and see what happens.

My longest pole in the tent right now is the rear and trunk floor. I need to find a) donor/newer floors or B) have new ones fabricated. The storage compartment in the rear of the trunk is completely gone. The area right on either side of the spare tire/package shelf at the "B" pillar at the base is gone as well. I suspect those are pretty common repair spots.

Does any one know of sheet metal fabricators that could do a whole floor? My existing would be a really good template...

Thanks,

TJ

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Since you have the attention of some of the 1937 President coupe owners, this seems appropriate. about ten years ago at the world famous LeMay family, Marymount facility a 1937 President coupe showed up as an outside display vehicle. I watched it for years hoping that someone would get it under cover. About five or six years ago, out of frustration, I got in touch with Doug LeMay. I asked what their plans were for the car? He said that it was to be used as a parts car for a Coupe Express that they had. After ten of fifteen minutes of my measured reality, including rarity and lack of meaningful interchangeability of parts between the CE and the President, he asked me the question that i had been dreading, "do you want it?" Even though I have one I had to tell him no.

 

Not long after that the car was moved. I tried to find out to whom or where it went. or what the plans were for it. Two years ago a friend and volunteer at the facility told me it was inside one of the warehouses on on top of a car carrier, but it turned out to be the CE. I later found out that Doug had either given, or sold the car to someone, who had plans for it. My fear was, and is now the dreaded words street rod. I don't usually have any deep seated reservations about altering but some cars should just be off limits. Dick Q. do you know anything about its whereabouts, anybody else?

 

As an aside there was a YouTube video around some years ago, by someone who was mostly clueless, while the car it was still outside. I had always gotten a kick out of watching someone trying to figure out what it was, and so it was with the video. These cars have no badging save the President medallion and when that goes away the result become rather comical. I would wait for a few minutes and then ask if they knew what it was. I don't think anyone got it on their first attempt. 

 

Bill

 

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You got the car I want, enjoy it that one is really special.  I have the 37 Sedan president, but the coupe is my favorite... i have a 39 but it not the same in anyway.  98 Blacks you seem to have made many connections to others that have 37 parts, could you send me a list of people you know that have them so i can contact them myself to see if they have a few of the part I need?   I would really appreciate this.

Doc Wiese         docwiese7@yahoo.com 

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