alsancle Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 A good shot from the 1960s shows the bucket seats and the huge rear hinged doors. The girl in the picture is almost 60 now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 AJ, do we know if any were built to the Aktion-P specification or was that just MB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, prewarnut said: AJ, do we know if any were built to the Aktion-P specification or was that just MB? None that I know of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 As a 20 year old looking for cars that were local to me, I came across a pair of Horch's. They were miles beyond any checkbook I had but they have always been something I have aspired to own. Looking forward to driving one some day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, edinmass said: As a 20 year old looking for cars that were local to me, I came across a pair of Horch's. They were miles beyond any checkbook I had but they have always been something I have aspired to own. Looking forward to driving one some day. Ed, the interior shot I just posted from the 1960s is one of those cars before it moved from Ohio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Let's have a better look at that interior: Edited October 25, 2022 by 58L-Y8 changed to better image (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 For comparison here is a 500K Cab C door. Front hinged vs rear hinged. The Horch seems to have 4-6" of extra interior space. You can push the bucks to a comfortable position for a 6' driver and still have room in the back seat for a passengers feet. This is not true with the Mercedes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 A.J.: What are the wheelbases of the M-B 500K and Horch 853? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 6:39 PM, George K said: Talk about over the top. This is just plain goofy looking. Like a caricature, or a comic-book image. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, West Peterson said: This is just plain goofy looking. Like a caricature, or a comic-book image. Blasphemy!! I think it was originally black? It would look better in that color. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: A.J.: What are the wheelbases of the M-B 500K and Horch 853? Steve Steve, I need to go look it up, but I think the 500 K/540 K is 128 inches. And the horch is 134? I guess I should go look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, alsancle said: Blasphemy!! I think it was originally black? It would look better in that color. I don't mind the color. It would look better if the back end was cut off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, West Peterson said: This is just plain goofy looking. Like a caricature, or a comic-book image. UNGAPATCHKA! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Zactly... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, West Peterson said: Zactly... Just because someone has money, it doesn’t indicate good taste. Too many over the top cars have owners that think they have a “killer car” on the field, just to discover that almost all over the top cars have bad lines and angles. Less is more. Buck Rodgers styling on any pre war car never works…….like this mess……… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, alsancle said: Steve, I need to go look it up, but I think the 500 K/540 K is 128 inches. And the horch is 134? I guess I should go look. Google is telling me 129.5 for the Mercedes and 136 for the Horch. Those feel about right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, alsancle said: Google is telling me 129.5 for the Mercedes and 136 for the Horch. Those feel about right. Must be true, it’s on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, edinmass said: Must be true, it’s on the internet. I think they are about right. Lucky me has access to one of each later this week and I will try to measure both. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, alsancle said: I think they are about right. Lucky me has access to one of each later this week and I will try to measure both. Measure twice, cut once! 😎 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 58 minutes ago, edinmass said: Just because someone has money, it doesn’t indicate good taste. Too many over the top cars have owners that think they have a “killer car” on the field, just to discover that almost all over the top cars have bad lines and angles. Less is more. Buck Rodgers styling on any pre war car never works…….like this mess……… So true! Has anyone figured out which DC Comics artist designed the Phantom Corsair? Heinz should have stuck to condiments! Bohmann & Schwartz would build whatever over-the-top silly design was presented to them...as long as it paid the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 54 minutes ago, 58L-Y8 said: So true! Has anyone figured out which DC Comics artist designed the Phantom Corsair? Heinz should have stuck to condiments! Bohmann & Schwartz would build whatever over-the-top silly design was presented to them...as long as it paid the bills. Bohmann & Schwartz= Bad & Shixxy for 2/3's of the stuff they did. Certainly did more damage than improvements overall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 Listen, I love both of you two, but you are ruining my Horch thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Ok, I’ll be nice. Buy me a V-12 Horch and we can call it even. Better yet, opine on the V-12’s. And post a few photos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 This Horch is for sale (I have no interest or affiliation) in Germany. Not the most pleasing angle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, edinmass said: Ok, I’ll be nice. Buy me a V-12 Horch and we can call it even. Better yet, opine on the V-12’s. And post a few photos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I remember that car well. Noel had it at a Grand Classic I attended. Haven’t seen it in thirty years. Cool car. AJ, you should put that one on your shopping list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, edinmass said: I remember that car well. Noel had it at a Grand Classic I attended. Haven’t seen it in thirty years. Cool car. AJ, you should put that one on your shopping list. Eddy, I believe the asking price was something like 2.5 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Has it been repainted since Noel owned it? I can't picture a good color on a Noel Thompson-owned vehicle. Although... that Brewster he had was painted sedately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, West Peterson said: Has it been repainted since Noel owned it? I can't picture a good color on a Noel Thompson-owned vehicle. Although... that Brewster he had was painted sedately. I’m leaning heavy yes on that repaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 10/25/2022 at 11:31 AM, edinmass said: Measure twice, cut once! 😎 Funny I cut it twice and it was still too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
58L-Y8 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) A cursory Google search of Horch images, both the 853 and 670, produces none of those chassis with closed bodies other than a coupe or two. Were any fitted with sport sedan bodies? Edited October 27, 2022 by 58L-Y8 corrected syntax errors (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 Using a tape measure: 540 K has a wheel base of 129 inches, and a hood length of 72 inches from tip of radiator to edge of windshield. The Horch has a wheelbase of 137 inches and a hood length of 67 down the center. But the Horch is a V windshield so the sides of the hood on the Horch are longer at 73 inches from outside edge of radiator shell to corner of windshield . BTW, I know from past experience that a 500k and a 540k are dimensionally similar if not identical. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prewarnut Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Here is an 853 for sale in Europe (no affiliation) with repro Erdmann and Rossi body (at half the previously noted price). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Now we’re talking Pebble Beach material. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Oops I forgot what might be it’s best angle to view it from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Looks like the back of that clear bubble has hinges on it. It’s got to be a “Horch Back”! 🤣 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) AJ, you always wanted to own a Horch……….buy this one, and you can join the Shriners “Clown Car Club”. Car is ready to go as is……… Edited October 29, 2022 by edinmass (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Question……… Is there a Horch car club? Is there a good book on them? Does anybody actually drive one in the states? Is there a Survivor list? Maybe we need to get a concours to have a Horch class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, edinmass said: Looks like the back of that clear bubble has hinges on it. It’s got to be a “Horch Back”! 🤣 The Horch back of Norte Dame. It’s all set to go in Prague. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George K Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 Imagine the pride of ownership just sitting behind the wheel of this beauty. You’ll be able to see tailgaters and have no trouble backing up through the crystal clear coach work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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