cahartley Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 A lady from California called the shop inquiring about the engine for her 1932 Hupmobile with a straight 8 engine.The left side has casting #C46-25440.On the top of the block the number is 1-314574-1.It has a Chrysler generator and an Autolite starter motor.There is also a C46 stamped on the block.I sent an email to her and hopefully we'll get some pics.ANY information will be greatly appreciated....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hupp produced 6 different models in 1932 with 8 cyl, engines. Models C, H, L, U, F and I Hupp having their own foundry, produced their own engines. If you have not, ask the lady for the serial #, that will tell you the the model number. From the model #, you will be able to find the engine cubic in. displacement. Hupp did use Autolite starters & generators on a lot of the 1932 models. My tec. books are not here in our temporary home so, when you find out the model, I can tell you who is the tec. person in our club. He may be able to answer some of the questions you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Thanks Hupp!I'll see what other information she can provide.(HOPING for photos too....... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 AND we have PICS........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 and more....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Wow, first a guy comes up with a 1933 Hupp Victoria Coupe, now i am looking at a 1932 Model I Cabriolet Roadster. Beautiful car. You asked about the engine, while this is what it should look like. See pic This being said you will need to ask a Mopar man about it. I believe Chrysler 8 cyl. but i am not a Mopar guy. I think Keiser is the guy. He posts a lot on the Forum. Edited March 21, 2014 by Hupp36 miss spelled word (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Wow that is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Wow, first a guy comes up with a 1933 Hupp Victoria Coupe, now i am looking at a 1932 Model I Cabriolet Roadster. Beautiful car. You asked about the engine, while this is what it should look like. See pic This being said you will need to ask a Mopar man about it. I believe Chrysler 8 cyl. but i am not a Mopar guy. I think Keiser is the guy. He posts a lot on the Forum.The C46 in the Hupmobile is a straight eight 1949 Chrysler New Yorker engine. The engine numbers for the C46 New Yorker ran from #C46-1001 up to C46-28838. Whenever a part has the "DPCD" logo on it, it is a Chrysler Corporation part. I see that logo on the engine in question. The logo (for those newbies) stands for "Dodge, Plymouth, Chrysler and DeSoto". Edited March 21, 2014 by keiser31 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'll bet that gives it a little more oooomph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 21, 2014 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 You guys are the BEST....... NOT being a Hupp engine but having Chrysler components made me think it might be a Chrysler engine but I'm in NO way knowledgable about engine specifics beyond the cars I own.I have notified the party who made the inquiry and I hope to learn more...... Just for a kicker here's a nice 1930 Lincoln....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Keiser, as the young folks say, " you da man". Would it be cool if that engine has a Warner over drive be hind the transmission like my 36 Hupp N does. Thank you for the help, I knew you would know what it was. I knew it was not Hupmobile. Chuck M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Thanks for the compliment and I am glad to help. Love the Lincoln! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 K: Misunderstanding your reply above (it was late here; senior moment) looked in a couple engine parts catalogs (King Prod, 6-32 and 3-36) for commonality between CCptn and Hupp 8s (you did mean the 49 Chrysler engine was fitted to the 32 as a replacement??)...Anyway, did note an oddity...While I found no replacement part number commonality, there was a NOTE under some of the Chrysler 8s in the 32 catalog that they used a special narrow "L" shaped comp ring...and in the 32 catalog the same note was under the Hupp 1930-31 "C" original factory piston in the piston/pin section and under the 1932 #222 and #226 in the piston ring section ...(King did not furnish factory dupl pistons or rings for these narrow comp rings)...The same parts co's 1936 catalog had that NOTE for the 30-32 C,H,U 8s (which apparently had some engines with original 1/8 width comp rings and others with the narrow .104 and .100)...and also showed various other 32-34 Hupp 8s with both 1/8 and .100 comp rings, as well as only with .100 comp rings, presumably "L" shaped but no NOTE shown, possibly because the parts co offered no replacement piston??SO, QUESTION: did Hupp sub out some engines/pistons to CCptn, or was this special narrow "L" shaped comp ring a shared designer item, a coincidence, or what??While not really a Hupp devotee, don't recall any mention of Hupp-CCptn connections... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 K: Misunderstanding your reply above (it was late here; senior moment) looked in a couple engine parts catalogs (King Prod, 6-32 and 3-36) for commonality between CCptn and Hupp 8s (you did mean the 49 Chrysler engine was fitted to the 32 as a replacement??)...Anyway, did note an oddity...While I found no replacement part number commonality, there was a NOTE under some of the Chrysler 8s in the 32 catalog that they used a special narrow "L" shaped comp ring...and in the 32 catalog the same note was under the Hupp 1930-31 "C" original factory piston in the piston/pin section and under the 1932 #222 and #226 in the piston ring section ...(King did not furnish factory dupl pistons or rings for these narrow comp rings)...The same parts co's 1936 catalog had that NOTE for the 30-32 C,H,U 8s (which apparently had some engines with original 1/8 width comp rings and others with the narrow .104 and .100)...and also showed various other 32-34 Hupp 8s with both 1/8 and .100 comp rings, as well as only with .100 comp rings, presumably "L" shaped but no NOTE shown, possibly because the parts co offered no replacement piston??SO, QUESTION: did Hupp sub out some engines/pistons to CCptn, or was this special narrow "L" shaped comp ring a shared designer item, a coincidence, or what??While not really a Hupp devotee, don't recall any mention of Hupp-CCptn connections...To simplify my reply....Someone has switched out the original Hupp engine with a 1949 Chrysler engine. There was no corporate connection between Hupmobile and Chrysler as far as I know. Hupmobile would never have referred to Chrysler as a replacement or upgraded engine. One of the owners did this exchange completely on their own idea, I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 I need to respond to tell you how happy the owner and his daughter are about learning this about "their" car!She wrote to say her Dad is so excited to finally find out what engine is in the car "MY DAD IS DOIN' THE JIG RIGHT NOW thinkin' he can drive his Hupp again !!!! UNBELIEVABLE !!! ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I need to respond to tell you how happy the owner and his daughter are about learning this about "their" car!She wrote to say her Dad is so excited to finally find out what engine is in the car "MY DAD IS DOIN' THE JIG RIGHT NOW thinkin' he can drive his Hupp again !!!! UNBELIEVABLE !!! ....... Can you attach a video of the jig here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 ^....... ....... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Tierney Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 K: Many thxx for correcting my mental lapse on the all-too-obvious 49 engine...but you left me hanging on the "special narrow L-shaped compression ring" pistons question. That 36 King Prod catalog (240 pgs listings) only shows that note under 27-33 Chrysler, 28-33 DeSoto, 30-34 Dodge and Dodge trucks and the abovementioned Hupp 8s...Granted, parts catalogs are weak reeds to lean on; no rings are listed for some of the more obscure orphans, etc., so it's not a definitive source...Yet, it would seem there's some kind of connection here; if not CCptn-Hupp then possibly both purchased pistons from a third party??There's not a straight-across correlation: CCptn listings showed .094, .100, .107 and .114, while Hupp listings only show .100 and .104; the CCptn listings state "Chrysler/DeSoto/Dodge factory pistons', and the Hupp listings state "Hupp factory pistons"...Could this've been one of those engineering ideas that didn't pan out, coincidentally tried by CCptn and Hupp independently of each other??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Bud, just a little note, Hupmobile had their own foundry & produced their own engines. One of the neatest things they did , they used the casting # for the part#. One other, 1 have 9 different models of Hupps & all of them have Hupp stamped on the head & the block. I can not say if all the engines they produced does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Cahartley, would you please mention that there is a Great Hupmobile club to this lady & gentleman , we would love for them to join us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 K: Many thxx for correcting my mental lapse on the all-too-obvious 49 engine...but you left me hanging on the "special narrow L-shaped compression ring" pistons question. That 36 King Prod catalog (240 pgs listings) only shows that note under 27-33 Chrysler, 28-33 DeSoto, 30-34 Dodge and Dodge trucks and the abovementioned Hupp 8s...Granted, parts catalogs are weak reeds to lean on; no rings are listed for some of the more obscure orphans, etc., so it's not a definitive source...Yet, it would seem there's some kind of connection here; if not CCptn-Hupp then possibly both purchased pistons from a third party??There's not a straight-across correlation: CCptn listings showed .094, .100, .107 and .114, while Hupp listings only show .100 and .104; the CCptn listings state "Chrysler/DeSoto/Dodge factory pistons', and the Hupp listings state "Hupp factory pistons"...Could this've been one of those engineering ideas that didn't pan out, coincidentally tried by CCptn and Hupp independently of each other???I think that you will find that even though there was no real connection between Hupp and Chrysler, car companies were/are famous for trying some of the very same ideas. I don't know if the "L-shaped" rings were a Chrysler idea, offhand, but I would guess that when engineering is involved, word of mouth spread an idea that may have been shared....by idea only. I hope that makes some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hupp36......I can assure you they are watching this and a parallel thread at another forum where, coincidentally, Bud contributes as well....... On another note, a couple hours ago, I was informed by the lady her Mom passed away yesterday(?) so their joy at finally learning the poop about this engine has been severely tempered...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Please inform your friend that we are sorry to hear about her mother. She can feel free to email me about the engine information whenever she is able. Johnkeiser31@charter.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 My prayers go out to the lady as well. My wife picked up a book at a yard sale Chrysler Chronicle a wealth of information. The original Hupp engine was 103 Hp, the newer Chrysler engine 323.5 Cid 135 Hp. I am a purist but when it comes to finding the original engine that goes in that Hupp, its a hard thing to do. The production on those cars was so low they are better off leaving well enough alone. Its a lot easier to rebuild that engine than a Hupp engine. I am just happy to see that the car survived.My only hope is to make my 33Hupp roadster look half as good as this car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share Posted April 2, 2014 Thanks for the thoughts and information Hupp...... Circumstances being what they are I haven't heard any more from her.I'm sure it won't be long before her father gets interested in his Hupp again considering how tickled he was to finally learn about the engine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Campguido Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Hey guys I have a 1928 6 cylinder running engine and transmission with carburetor and exhaust that I need to find a home for. I need to find a good home for them, please email me at campguido@yahoo.com . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 So , what part of the USA are you in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connell Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I have a 32 Hupmobile coupe. It is far from stock, but this is pretty much the way I got it. Is it as rare as the internet says it is? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERZEEFATBOY Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 This is a very old thread, I know. However I just stumbled on it and wondered if anyone has the serial number for this particular vehicle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 There were 3 different vehicles mentioned, you need to give more information on the 1 you need to know about. Year and Model and car name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JERZEEFATBOY Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 The initial inquiry was pertaining to what you identified as a 1932 series I and I agree (straight grille, "cycle" fenders, trim strips on the rear fenders, louvers, etc.). That's the "particular vehicle" and not the Chrysler or Lincoln, as fine cars as they are. I ask because I have a 1932 Hupp I engine sitting in a crate in my garage that I got from California about 25 years ago from an attorney who said he tried having the engine rebuilt and was disappointed in its performance and finally gave up and had his brother put a "modern" engine in the car. Wondered if this vehicle was the source. And, NO, I have no interest in selling the engine. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Thank you for clearing this up. It almost seems that you may have the original engine for the car. Question, if you have had the engine that long and not used it, why would you not sell it? Is it a replacement engine for a Hupp you own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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