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Hi, my name is Wim Peters and i live in the Netherlands. I own a 1937 Buick sportcoupe with opera seats. I have a question about the trim tag. Can someone please explain the following numbers:

Style: 37 4427B

Body: C 2001

Trim: 300

Color: 507

My guess is that the tag is incorrect for the car, but i'm hoping to get some answers from you guy's.

Thanks and best regards, Wim

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Welcome to the forum

We like pictures :)

Sean will be along soon to give a full answer, but

37 = 1937

4 = Buick

4 = series 40 special

27B = 2-door business coupe, 2-passenger

Your tag details look OK. It should also have a frame/chassis number and an engine serial number

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Corrected 27B. Had incorrectly copied from this post

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Style: 37 4427B

Body: C 2001

Trim: 300

Color: 507

I have style 4427B as the 2-passenger business coupe (model 46) and style 4427 as the 4-passenger sport coupe with opera seats (model 46S). Post a picture of the body tag and of the rear seats if you can.

Body: C 2001

C = built at South Gate, CA

2001 = 2001st 4427B built at South Gate

Trim: 300 = Tan Bedford Cord, available on Model 41, 44, 46, 46S, 47, 48

Color: 507 = Ottawa Blue

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Hey Wim,

nice to hear from a "neighbour"here

with nearly the same car.

Where do you live in holland and from where do you have the car ?

And yes,please give us a couple of pictures,its a must ;-)

Greetings

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First of all, thanks for the information.

@1939_buick: I can't find the engine number. I've been looking at the usual suspect locations on the engine, but can't find anything. I can see (and feel) that there is a number behind the starter, but to have a good look at that number i have to remove the starter. The only numbers i've found are on the cylinder head on the drivers side. That number is GM (or CM) 1289261 and a few inches more to the end there is another number on the head: 1 - 1230.

I haven't looked yet for the frame number. The frame number that is on the papers that go with the car is C3100887.

@jenz38: i live in a small village called Wateringen and it's located next to The Hague. I bought the Car in the Netherlands from a classic car dealer called Venema Classic Cars.

@sean1997: Pics of the back seats and the trim tag are posted

And now some pic's. I've also some pic's of the back seats, the body tag and the locations where i thought i would find the engine number.

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Here are the pic's of the location wher i thought the engine number should be:

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And the body tag:

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best regards, Wim

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Very nice car ,congratulation,sheetmetal all ok ? no bondo ?

Ok back to the topic,you find your engine number between the distributor and starter under the rocker cover on the block.

on the one picture you can see it a little bit.

Your car have a oilfilter ?? thats not original but very good.

wish you much fun with your car.

.. and Den Haag, 400 km from here ...:)

..I like the netherlands,relaxed peoples ..

Greetz

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Thanks for the compliments. I know i say it myself, but it is indeed a very nice car. No bondo, good paint, nice interior etc.

It only needs a good fine tuning of the carburetor and the ignition to let it run as great as it looks. But that wil be solved soon enough.

@Jenz38, only 400km...its seems so close, but so far away with a 1937 Buick ;-)

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Beautiful car. I agree with the earlier comments on the oil filter. I added one to mine as well - looks like the same unit, but mine came with some brackets that allowed me to mount it closer to the front of the engine, as I believe was done just a few years later in production. You might want to remove the fitting at the cylinder head, and check to see if the wire mesh filter has been removed. On mine it was very dirty, and was probably restricting flow to the rocker arm assembly. With your filter in place, you probably don't want another restriction in series. (there have been some posts on this subject, try searching for it) To get mine out, I used a grinder to cut a hook shape into the tip of a very small (and inexpensive) screwdriver.

Also, it looks like a radiator overflow tank has been installed. Was this done with a pressure cap at the radiator? Can you show some more pictures of how this installation was done?

Thanks,

Jeff

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I've been searching for some more numbers. I found the frame number and it is 3100887. It seems that there is a "c" as a first digit. But you can look for yourself in this picture. Does anybody know more about the car with this frame number?

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I found a number on the engine, but is not the engine nummber i need i guess. Found it behind the starter. In the picture you can see the last digit in the red "circle". The number is 126124-2. Anyone knows what this number means?

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@Jeff: i'm not sure what you mean by the "wire mesh filter" by the fitting on the cilinder head. Can you point it out on one of the pictures.

By the way, the car has no radiator overflow tank installed. What made you think that it was?

Thanks again and best regards, Wim

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The C in the body number and the frame number indicate the car was built at South Gate, CA. An L would indicate Linden, NJ and if there is no letter preceding the body or frame number it indicates Flint, MI. In 1938 a numerical plant digit was added to the beginning of the frame serial number (1=Flint, 2=South Gate, 3=Linden), but the letter designations on the body tag remained the same (C=South Gate, L=Linden, nothing for Flint). McLaughlin Buick's built in Canada used a completely different body tag.

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Its definitefly a Oilfilter,it looks like one hose goes into the block ? Like somebody has drilled a hole in the side of the block and install iin a quick job this can. Wim please can you shot more pics with where the hoses go to ?

You have find your engine # ?

1 time per year with my 38 i drive to a big meeting near dresden without problems,since years.

One way is 550 km in 6 hours,stay there for the weekend,drive a 1/8 mile race on saturday and on sunday i drive back home

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I did not find the engine# yet. The only numbers i found are the number on the engine, behind the starter and that is: 126124-2 and the number on the head: GM (or CM) 1289261.

I've three pictures of the oilfilter.

In this one you can see that the hose that is leaving the filter in the middle under the filter, goes to the front lower end of the engine. You can see in the red "circle" that there seems to be a special spot on the engine for this hose.

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The hose that is leaving the filter on the side of the filter goes to the engine just under the distributor:

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And one photo of the inside of the filter itself. As you can see, there is a Fram oilfilter in it.

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Congratulations on having a nice looking car.

Looks like a 37 engine to me also. Engine number 3306926 like Sean mentioned falls between production number of 1937 (3166225 to 3396936). Looks like a 37 choke. Didn't the 38 have the oil fill moved from the block to the valve cover?

Carl

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Congratulations on having a nice looking car.

Looks like a 37 engine to me also. Engine number 3306926 like Sean mentioned falls between production number of 1937 (3166225 to 3396936). Looks like a 37 choke. Didn't the 38 have the oil fill moved from the block to the valve cover?

Carl

Carl: Yes

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I've been searching for some more numbers. I found the frame number and it is 3100887. It seems that there is a "c" as a first digit. But you can look for yourself in this picture. Does anybody know more about the car with this frame number?

buick_frame_zps4b59ea63.jpg

I found a number on the engine, but is not the engine nummber i need i guess. Found it behind the starter. In the picture you can see the last digit in the red "circle". The number is 126124-2. Anyone knows what this number means?

Buick7_number_zps16be1ed7.jpg

@Jeff: i'm not sure what you mean by the "wire mesh filter" by the fitting on the cilinder head. Can you point it out on one of the pictures.

By the way, the car has no radiator overflow tank installed. What made you think that it was?

Thanks again and best regards, Wim

Wim: I'm curious as to what the big tank is that is installed on the cowl above the rear of the engine. Aftermarket vacuum tank for the wipers? Also, the mesh filter being asked about is supposed to be in the oil line screwed into the cylinder head between the front edge of the spark plug cover and the thermostat/bypass valve housing. Use a wrench to unscrew the fitting on the line from the fitting on the cylinder head. The factory put a small wire mesh filter in there to filter oil going to the rocker arm assembly. If it is still in there, you can stretch out a paper clip to remove it. Many times, though, the filter was discarded years ago. Nice car. Thanks for posting.

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Looks like a '37 engine to me:

43306926

4=Series 40 (Special)

3306926 = sequential number, range for 1937 was 3,166,225 to 3,396,936

Thanks Sean + Carl, here you've more experience ...

I have it from the team buick forum, out of the engine identify list.

:confused:

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  • 1 month later...

I did some work on the Buick. I mounted a NOS Stromberg AAV-167 carb and its running great now. I also applied the sticker on the valve cover.

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In '39.....a business coupe had fixed back side windows and a sport coupe had side windows that opened 3-4 inches. Not being an expert on the earlier version of this body style, would the '38, '37 be the same?

The jump seats might have been added to a business coupe but changing the side windows is a little more difficult. I have seen several business coupes with rear seats added.

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