Guest oldgascar Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Looking for 4 tires 34" X 3" any color and any tread as long as all 4 tires are the same. Metric tire sizes willl work also close to 34 x 3 :cool:Bob F.Louisvill, Ky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I spoze you can't squish on a 34 × 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldgascar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Really want the 3 instead of a 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F&J Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I spoze you can't squish on a 34 × 4?Believe it or not, that tire would be for a different wheel diameter....a 34X3 is: 3+3=6 then 34 -6 = 28" wheel rima 34X4 is: 4+4=8 then 34 -8 = 26" wheel rim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) These should be close enough.......didn't find weight capacities.......yet >>> 28" Motorcycle Tires | J&P Cycles(Yeah F&J.......fergot about that....... ) Edited August 20, 2013 by cahartley (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I do not think they ever made a 28 inch rim for an early car. Only for farm tractors ( A much wider and taller tire.) A handfull of large high end cars had 27 inch rims like the Olds Limited, or Buick B or C-55. ect. What the heck do you have? A McCormick-Deering Manure Spreader???Dahoooo. If Corky Coker has em, then they made em. Must be a sleek old bike/ cycle car you have... Photos please. Dandy Dave! Edited August 20, 2013 by Dandy Dave (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldgascar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Building a Olds Pirate Racer replica & would really like to have the orjg size tires/wire spoke wheels.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Ahhh Yesss. It has to be something off the wall and odd. Very cool! :cool: Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Is it a car? Is it a cycle? I do not know?... But it sure is sleek and fast.... for the 1890's that is. File:RansomEliOldsOldsPirate.jpg - Wikimedia Commons Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Saxton Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I do not think they ever made a 28 inch rim for an early car. Only for farm tractors ( A much wider and taller tire.) A handfull of large high end cars had 27 inch rims like the Olds Limited, or Buick B or C-55. ect. What the heck do you have? A McCormick-Deering Manure Spreader???Dahoooo. If Corky Coker has em, then they made em. Must be a sleek old bike/ cycle car you have... Photos please. Dandy Dave!They most certainly did make 28" rims for cars. A lot of the large sizes on American cars like 27" on 1913 Cadillac have removeable side rings that can be reversed to suit either straight sided or beaded edge tyres. As far as I am concerned with 28" that is a "beep". My 1911 4 cylinder Napier that I am restoring when not interrupted by other urgencies has Rudge Whitworth wire wheels with 28"" beaded edge rims that cannot run straight sided tyres. The only 36 x 4 tyres that seem to be available are straight sided. I have in the past run a 5.00 x24" tyre on a 23" beaded edge wheel (895 x 135) like this without problems. If worse comes to the worst I can make up special lock rings to run 29" straight side tyres. I can now machine these easily by making up a fixture for the bed of the Kearns horizontal boring machine I have just squeezed into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldgascar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 These should be close enough.......didn't find weight capacities.......yet >>> 28" Motorcycle Tires | J&P Cycles(Yeah F&J.......fergot about that....... )J & P cycles states the inside diameter of the tire is 28" and Coker states the overall diameter is 28 inches. I am not sure who is correct. If the i.d. is 28 inches, then the o.d. should be 34 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cahartley Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Exactly.......hopefully you can speak with someone who has a ruler.......and knows how to read it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 They most certainly did make 28" rims for cars. A lot of the large sizes on American cars like 27" on 1913 Cadillac have removeable side rings that can be reversed to suit either straight sided or beaded edge tyres. As far as I am concerned with 28" that is a "beep". My 1911 4 cylinder Napier that I am restoring when not interrupted by other urgencies has Rudge Whitworth wire wheels with 28"" beaded edge rims that cannot run straight sided tyres. The only 36 x 4 tyres that seem to be available are straight sided. I have in the past run a 5.00 x24" tyre on a 23" beaded edge wheel (895 x 135) like this without problems. If worse comes to the worst I can make up special lock rings to run 29" straight side tyres. I can now machine these easily by making up a fixture for the bed of the Kearns horizontal boring machine I have just squeezed into place.Ey ey captian. I see that. It is just something that is not all that common. Even back in the day it seems rare. Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is from the 1913 Dykes Automobile Encyclopedia, 38x4 1/2 is a 29" rim, 40x 4 1/2 is a 31" rim, 42x 4 1/2 is a 33" rim, well you get the idea. I believe American Underslung took the 33" rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Dandy Dave asked, and oldgascar answered about the Olds Pirate race car. Dandy Dave then commented leading me to believe he may not be familiar with it. For DD or anyone else wanting to know, the Olds Pirate was a race care built by Oldsmobile while Ransom was still around there. It was TWO Oldsmobile one cylinder engines connected together on a very light chassis with a tiny seat for the driver. A truly wild looking and fast little car (either 1901 or '02 if I recall correctly) (Not as sharp as I used to was) I believe there is one copy running around already. However, like 1886 Benz and Henry's quadracycle, some of these things need to be seen more than the surviving original can accommodate. Don't hide the fact that a car is a re-creation.Dandy Dave, I love that Buick roadster in your picture.oldgascar, Just curious, are you using original CDO engines? I would love to see that thing running some day!Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldgascar Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Wayne, I am using a horizontally opposed 2 cylinder engine from the early 1900's. It is a Brennan.( 1904 I beleive) I am now also looking for a 2 speed planetary transmission for the project. So if you happen to have an extra one sitting around, just let me know.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Dandy Dave asked, and oldgascar answered about the Olds Pirate race car. Dandy Dave then commented leading me to believe he may not be familiar with it. For DD or anyone else wanting to know, the Olds Pirate was a race care built by Oldsmobile while Ransom was still around there. It was TWO Oldsmobile one cylinder engines connected together on a very light chassis with a tiny seat for the driver. A truly wild looking and fast little car (either 1901 or '02 if I recall correctly) (Not as sharp as I used to was) I believe there is one copy running around already. However, like 1886 Benz and Henry's quadracycle, some of these things need to be seen more than the surviving original can accommodate. Don't hide the fact that a car is a re-creation.Dandy Dave, I love that Buick roadster in your picture.oldgascar, Just curious, are you using original CDO engines? I would love to see that thing running some day!Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2Thanks for the info. You are right, I never studied the Olds Pirate before. The Buick Roadster in my Picture is 5 times better seen in person, and at least 10 times more dazzeling to drive. And I will have you know that it is always a white knucle ride. .... :cool: Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This is from the 1913 Dykes Automobile Encyclopedia, 38x4 1/2 is a 29" rim, 40x 4 1/2 is a 31" rim, 42x 4 1/2 is a 33" rim, well you get the idea. I believe American Underslung took the 33" rim.[ATTACH=CONFIG]209649[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]209650[/ATTACH]Given the roads of the day, I can see why they used these tall rims and tires to keep these cars from dragging on the ground through ruts and muck holes. It makes sense that the American Underslung by design would need taller tires to keep it from getting stuck. Thanks for the info. I can see that these are on very high end Autos. Givin the price of tires in the old days, one could not be poor to have something with such a large tire to replace and repair on a regular basis. Thanks, Dandy Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 HI,,oldgascar,,,I have Brennan info,,Private don't work,,207-793-2800 in Maine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Dandy Dave asked, and oldgascar answered about the Olds Pirate race car. Dandy Dave then commented leading me to believe he may not be familiar with it. For DD or anyone else wanting to know, the Olds Pirate was a race care built by Oldsmobile while Ransom was still around there. It was TWO Oldsmobile one cylinder engines connected together on a very light chassis with a tiny seat for the driver. A truly wild looking and fast little car (either 1901 or '02 if I recall correctly) (Not as sharp as I used to was) I believe there is one copy running around already. However, like 1886 Benz and Henry's quadracycle, some of these things need to be seen more than the surviving original can accommodate. Don't hide the fact that a car is a re-creation.Dandy Dave, I love that Buick roadster in your picture.oldgascar, Just curious, are you using original CDO engines? I would love to see that thing running some day!Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2Wayne, what documentation do you have that it was two one cylinder Olds engines connected together? I was put in charge of the team that built the GM 3/4 replica. Olds naturally offered a two cylinder in '04. The Pirate raced in '03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne sheldon Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Steve Moskowitz,Documentation? It has been a while (several years) since I read an article in one of the primary club magazines. I do not recall whether it was AACA, HCCA, or VMCCA, and I do not recall if it was a then current or an old issue I bought a couple hundred of a few years ago also. I can only assume that what I read was accurate (I rarely use the word "assume" because, as you know how it is spelled). I used it now because it may be appropriate in this instance. I do know that not everything printed is correct. I would hope that if someone was truly interested in the Pirate, they could do additional research.I type slow. Which may be a good thing. Otherwise I would "say" (write) a lot more (I also tend to be opinionated and outspoken, just ask almost anyone I know). If I were to spend the time to research and expand upon some of my comments, I would have no time left to work on my projects. And I have too many projects and too little time as it is.I had looked in on the thread several times hoping someone smarter than I had elaborated on the pirate, but no one had. Steve M,No offense taken. Just clarification.oldgascar,Sorry no non-T planetary transmissions laying around. I seem to recall an early, open, non-Ford planetary transmission being for sale in the HCCA Gazette a year or two ago. Otherwise, those are a bit difficult to find.Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) OK, all I can say is that everything we uncovered during the creation of the replica for Oldsmobile Division was that the engine was a two-cylinder opposed engine. There are about a half dozen different Pirate photos in existence and very little information about the technical aspects of the car, just reporting on the events it raced. Attached is a picture at the Indy 500 with the Pirate next to the Speedway's CDO.. I have a great period photo but for some reason it won't load...try later. Edited August 25, 2013 by Steve Moskowitz (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oldgascar Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Since my hopes of finding 34 x 3 beaded edge tires are fading. I really want to use 28 " rims, so I thought maybe I would look for a supplier or manufacturer of solid tires or 3 " round tire stock to put on 28 " rims . Does anyone know of a source ? I found a company in Selina , Kansas which may be able to help. I will contact them this week.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moskowitz Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Finally got this to load..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) The Pirate next to Louis Ross steamer,,,Who are the other two?,,,Some of the early Stanleys use a 29" rimSome of the cars at Brighton have large rim sizes,,Cheers,,BenP/s ,,does anyone need a L,Ross 500#open face steam guage?? Edited August 26, 2013 by cben09 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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