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Kev33

1933 Dodge DP RS Coupe

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Kev33,

I have two spare emblems. One is the grill emblem that someone chromed to within an inch of its life and the guy that restored mine said he was unable to glass enamel it. The other I think is from the luggage rack and with a bit of playing around could probably be restored. Mine are in pretty good shape and are on the car but you are welcome to luggage rack one if you think this is the correct one. I've attached photos for you. I would rather give it to someone that can use it and complete a project than sit on a shelf. All I ask in return is to keep you eye out for a 1934 rear 1/4 vent wind out window seal for the left ( driver in the USA ) side.

Cheers

Ian

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Kev that's what you call a result, put Ian on the Christmas card list.

Like your style Ian, wonder if youv'e got anything I need. :rolleyes:

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Hi Tom, always happy to help if I can. I don't have a lot of parts but unless you ask you never know. If he does want it I hope that it can be glass enamelled but I'm just not sure of the process and if its possible.

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For many years all the Chrysler vehicle clubs,CPDD, have been saying that you could only have your car or truck painted in a standard color OR any other color that Chrysler offered in any other in-house marque for an additional fee. This is not so. My Dodge KCL Commercial Car was built in Hamtramck and painted there ,on the line, in the basic livery color of it's Toronto Ont. department store purchaser. My build ticket states the paint as 'eaton blue' the color of the companies trucks. (The custom body installed in Toronto has red panels on it's upper sides and white pinstripping, to complete the red,white and blue livery.) The overall blue was a registered color called 'T. Eaton Co. Commercial Blue'. The paint was most likely sent from Toronto from the companies repair shop on Hater Ave. Chrysler Historical has been following my restoration of this rare vehicle,one of 10 they tell me, and has phoned me at home to discuss it. They know the 10 were painted in an 'outside' color as part of the order. So this puts the kibosh on any color having to be only available from the in-house Chrysler color list. Your Dodge coupe may have been this color or any color when new. Apparently Chrysler would do anything in the Depression to sell a vehicle.

But in your situation it is a truck, not a car.

Trucks were purchased for commercial use and were done in the colours of the company that purchased/used it. That choice of colours predates the auto industry and goes back to the era of horsedrawn wagons. A fleet buyer, such as Eaton's, could purchase trucks and have them done in their colours. As did gas companies, electric companies, coal companies, breweries, telephone companies, municipalities, etc. I have a book from DuPont Canada with all the paint colours used on cars and trucks from 1949 to 1979, and the list also includes hundreds used by companies in Canada for their corporate colours. Eaton's Red is listed as DUR-315 for DuPont Canada and 2333-8638 for C.I.L.

And it is known Chrysler painted cars in corporate colours over the years for fleet buyers including police and taxi cars. Chrysler charged extra for the special colours, naturally. Don Butler's book on Plymouth has photos for 1933 to 1936 Plymouth coupes done in Swift's colours.

In the case of your Eaton's van, the paint probably came from the same paint company that supplied Eaton's and the companies that sold vehicles to Eaton's over the years. That would have included DuPont, Sherwin-Williams, Ditzler, Acme, C.I.L., etc. The colour may be registered, but paint companies would have the right to mix the colour for Eaton's and the companies building vehicles for Eaton's.

Given that Chrysler did do special colours for fleet buyers, why the restrictions on purchases for personal use vehicles? You would pay extra, of course. In the computer age special colours on cars were coded 999. In the era before the '999' code, if you run across a colour code not on the authorized list of colours, you probably have a car done in a special colour. The build record would confirm the code, although not the actual colour.

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How do you know that Dodge painted any truck in the color wanted by the end buyer and not a car? Where is it written down or in what Chrysler document does it say they would not paint a car in an outside color? I have a ream of Plymouth Bulletins from those years and bulletin after bulletin contradicts the previous bulletin as the company tries to keep up with sales demand for different colors. First no black cars,then black cars if a 'car load' is ordered and then finally ,near the middle of the year, any car in black! (Just buy the damn thing it appears they were saying.) Yes Chrysler Historical tells me mine was a special order. I have the order number "Inquiry 15439". This number is grease pencilled on the inside of the firewall under the noise/heat mat and also on the build ticket. (As far as I can tell by the same person. The writing is identical.) The paint was registered but no I wouldn't think it was restricted to Eaton's although Eaton's may have got upset if they saw another company using it. This may have been what 'registered' meant. The Eaton blue is distinctive and still is. I have found a different name for the red-fire red. The Eaton's truck shop told me that before the company went under. They also told me they use arctic white for the pinstripping. I'm using the fire red and arctic white. But from what I can tell in Chrysler factory photos and such, the chassis normally came in black. The humpbacks as well. Which is what my truck would have been if Dodge had installed one of their inhouse bodies. That or a pick up. I still say we will never know for sure if Chrysler would not have painted a car an outside color to get a sale. I can't see them turning down a sale in the middle of the Depression. And if they would clean out their guns and reload with an outside color for 10 T.Eatons' chassis,because these were only cheap $395 cowl and chassis (even shipped sans rear bumpers), you would think they would do the same to move a car.

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Ian, thanks so much. I have been away from the computer all weekend and just now seeing these messages. I sent you a private message. Thanks again, Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

Can you check your private messages. Each time I send one it dosn't say I've sent anything.

Cheers

Ian

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