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I need help identifying the these wheels that I have pulled from an old shed. Year? Car? Brand? anything. The link below will take you to the photos of the wheels.

Antique Unknown Spoked Wheels Photos by mbash013 | Photobucket

I came across 4 wheels. All 4 are the same rim, but there are two sets of different tires. Two of the tires are Gulf. They are 4 ply, 5.25-5.50-18, Traffic edition, and made in the USA. The other two tires are Firestone. They are 4 ply, 5.25-5.50-18, Deluxe edition, and made in England. They also have inner tubes in these tires. These wheels are spoked wheels, and I believe they are knock off Wheels since there are no lug holes. They have 60 spokes, and the hubs have 88 splines. The rim measures 19 inches in diameter. The front of the hub diameter is 3 3/8 inches. The rear hub diameter is 7 1/2 inches. The width of the hub measures between 4 3/4 and 5 inches. The length of the splines inside the hub measure 1 1/2 inches. There seems to be two layers of paint on these wheels, one layer red, the other black. this is all that I have acquired and now I hope that you can tell me what these are.

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18" wheels would be 1930-1932. They are not racing wheels, as they don't have adjustable spokes. I can confirm they are knock off wheels. If you can determine if they are Rudge-Whitworth (take the tires off, look for a mark), you can use the appropriate hubs. Thanks to my grandfather for helping me answer.

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With nipples on the ends of the spokes at the rim they sure look like adjustable spoke wire wheels to me.

88 splines would be 52mm Rudge Wire Wheels or one of their licensees.

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So with your guys' information I did a little looking around. I have a feeling that the Firestone tires are the original ones. The MG is an English built car and the Firestones were made in England. I found this page and the guy states it has 19 inch wheels and the tread pattern on his MG is the same as the Firestone tires.

Another Classic British Marque - HRG - Dieselpunks

Now does this mean that its defiantly from an MG, or could it be that the Firestone Deluxe was a popular tire? And if I take off the tire, what will I find on the inner rim? I do want to say that all the MGs that I looked at have 48 spokes, not 60.

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Not MG - here is a chart of wheels currently available through Moss Motors - it'll help eliminate a lot of possibilities for you.

Terry

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[TD=class: xl63, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 4", 48 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl64, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Austin-Healey 100, 3000 thru BJ7[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TD-TF[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGA[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR2-3A[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 15" x 4", 48 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Austin-Healey 100, 3000 thru BJ7[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TD-TF[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGA[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR2-3A[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Austin-Healey 3000 BJ7 from 24367 & BJ8[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TD-TF Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGA Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR2-3A Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR4-4A[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 15" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Austin-Healey 3000 BJ7 from 24367 & BJ8[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TD-TF Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGA Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR2-3A Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR4-4A[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5", 72 spoke[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 15" x 5", 72 spoke[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGC[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 19" x 2.5", 48 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TC[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 19" x 2.5", 48 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MG TC[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 14" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGB[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 14" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGB[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 14" x 5.5", 72 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGB Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 14" x 5.5", 72 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]MGB Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 13" x 4", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Sprite/Midget[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 13" x 4", 60 spoke[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 13" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Spitfire MKIV & 1500[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 13" x 4.5", 60 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Spitfire MKIV & 1500[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5.5", 72 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR250/6[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 15" x 5.5", 72 spoke[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR250/6[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5.5", 70 center laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]TR250/6 Heavy Duty[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5", 72 inner and outer laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series II[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 6", 72 inner and outer laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series III[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5", 72 inner and outer laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 5.5", 72 triple laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

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[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 6", 72 triple laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Painted Wire Wheel - 15" x 6", 72 triple laced spokes[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl65, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 6.5", 72 center laced spokes (tubeless design)[/TD]

[TD=class: xl66, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series II[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD=class: xl67, width: 167, bgcolor: white]Chrome Wire Wheel - 15" x 6.5", 72 center laced spokes (tubeless design)[/TD]

[TD=class: xl68, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag E-Type Series I[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD=class: xl69, bgcolor: white] [/TD]

[TD=class: xl70, width: 177, bgcolor: white]Jag MKII[/TD]

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No, most wire wheels are made using threaded end spokes which are tightened ( or tuned) during assembly. Just because your bicycle or motorcycle has wheels made this way does not make it a racing machine. Ford pioneered welded spoke wire wheels to lessen their cost and increase durability. It did not catch on with the small manufacturers due to high setup investment and wire wheels were soon to be on their way out on most American makes.

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The tire markings tell us the wheels are spec'd 18" not 19".

One thing not mentioned is rim edge turns outward whereas the other wheels discussed here have inverted rim edges. Doesn't the outward edge design go back to the 20's?

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