Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'm looking for an engine for a 1927 (I think) Graham Bros fire engine. I have just the block, which has 5 main bearings, so it looks like it is a 1927 or later 212 cu. in. Dodge engine.Does anyone have a lead on an engine for this truck?How late did they make the 212 cu. in. that is correct for this truck?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi Doug what section of the country are you located in ? I know of one out west ( Mohave CA ) that may work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'm near Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 What kind of shape is it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Sorry Doug, my mistake. He pulled the motor from a 27/28 Graham truck but it wasn't the original motor, it's a newer motor with the side distributor. I apologize for the false alarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ok, thank you for checking. I restore fire trucks but this is the first Graham so I don't have a good feel for how difficult it is to find these Dodge engines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Can you post a picture? I have a Graham truck but have not identified it as of yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 This is a photo when new.Edgewater, Colorado, city hall, 1927 :: Western History Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dougklink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 This one is a 4 cylinder and the radiator shell is round on top. Your radiator shell almost looks like a Packard, plus it's a six cylinder so I have no idea what year it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 O well, better luck next time. I have a old truck back in the yard with a 4 cyl. I'll check it tomorrow. We have about 40 trucks from the late 20s to 40s. Dodges only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hey Doug, I was recalling this thread just now, you may want to contact the owner who started it, he would be the one who can probably answer what the correct engine was for that fire truck you posted a pic of if not he may be able to point you in the right direction. Here's the link to that thread, his name is Jason goes by the screen name 1930. Good luck http://forums.aaca.org/f143/dodge-brothers-graham-brothers-trucks-282804.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I am pretty certain this is not a Graham radiator and shell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I am pretty certain this is not a Graham radiator and shell.... I got to find the #s on the frame. Nobody around here knows anything about this truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Hi Dave, I thought we somewhat determined that to be an early attempt at a ratrod of sorts ? If I recall I had the radiator pegged as a Buick, the manifold, headlights and fan blades don't seem correct (ouch, fan buried into the back of that radiator), so I'm guessing it could be a lot of misfit parts thrown together, may even be another chassis from a completely different manufacture which would explain why you can't locate the frame number. Doug, As for the 4 cylinder GB truck on topic it should look something like this when finished correct ? I believe your radiator and other things may be different though : 1927 Fire Engine: Almont, MI Fire Dept | Flickr - Photo Sharing! finding a photo of the correct engine that went in one of those may only be found in old Graham Brothers literature and maybe even a book like this I found a while back on the big board Antique Vintage Graham Brothers Special Equipment Information Guide Binder Book | eBay Edited June 9, 2013 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Buick radiator shell is a bit different. There is a point hanging down from the center at the top on the Buick radiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 O well, better luck next time. I have a old truck back in the yard with a 4 cyl. I'll check it tomorrow. We have about 40 trucks from the late 20s to 40s. Dodges only.Did you ever find a frame and engine # for the mystery truck? If so could you submit them. They give a lot of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 This is a senior 6 engine. Look at the water jacket. That's a clue.http://forums.aaca.org/attachments/f148/197047d1368558486-dodge-engine-graham-bros-truck-img_3957.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Scafani Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 There were two five main bearing engines available around 1926-27. One used a multiple disk clutch which had a prefix C in the serial number, and the other had a single disk clutch and had the prefix D in the serial number. The rear engine mounts were different on the two as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 This is a senior 6 engine. Look at the water jacket. That's a clue.http://forums.aaca.org/attachments/f148/197047d1368558486-dodge-engine-graham-bros-truck-img_3957.jpgEngine # location and what years did they put this engine in veh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Did you ever find a frame and engine # for the mystery truck? If so could you submit them. They give a lot of information.Havn't devoted a lot of time on this truck yet but taking all clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I found in one of the garages a almost complete drive train with eng. # A379-110, 1926? Here is a 1925? truck with pictures of the engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 There were two five main bearing engines available around 1926-27. One used a multiple disk clutch which had a prefix C in the serial number, and the other had a single disk clutch and had the prefix D in the serial number. The rear engine mounts were different on the two as well. Hi Bob, you have me curious about something... Can you tell us what models those two five bearing engines may have went in ? From the MPB I show model codes of BD, DDT, ID, LD, MD, and SD. Were their more models or are those the only models that either of the two five bearings you mentioned listed under? Any information may also help answer other questions of the original topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 The radiator and shell and maybe more of the vehicle is very similar to a 1924 Studebaker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 John, That yellow truck has a crank hole in the shell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 John, That yellow truck has a crank hole in the shell?Dave....that's why I said, "similar". It may be a different year, but definitely Studebaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I think I have figured it out. It looks to me like the crankhole was cut later. Can you verify that it is a factory type stamped hole or roughly cut/added? I have never seen one that is only half way into the shell and half way into the splash apron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Dave....that's why I said, "similar". It may be a different year, but definitely Studebaker. John. The hole was cut in and its a coble job that somebody did to install it. Good eye. I'll have to find another part that you need.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 More pictures of the of the yellow truck. From the castings on the block, I would guess its a 27. When was the 1st year for hyd brakes? As you can see in the pictures, it has hyd brakes. The 25 truck we have has the mech brakes. The rad shell is cobled into this truck. Going to try to get #s tomorrow, have to pull the manifold of to try to find #s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) More pictures of the of the yellow truck. From the castings on the block, I would guess its a 27. When was the 1st year for hyd brakes? As you can see in the pictures, it has hyd brakes. The 25 truck we have has the mech brakes. The rad shell is cobled into this truck. Going to try to get #s tomorrow, have to pull the manifold of to try to find #sMotor number should be on manifold side of engine above the valve cover plate at front of engine. The frame number will be above front spring hanger on the drivers side. Looks like there is a lot of paint that is covering it. The frame number should have a D, E, or S prefix.My Dodge Bros is a 1928 "E" series. I noticed that your cowling is smooth on the sides. My truck has a raised belt line that runs from door supports to the firewall. I believe yours is not an "E" series truck. The frame number would confirm that.Great pictures for reference. Edited June 12, 2013 by stakeside (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I have the sneaking suspicion that it is not a Dodge truck.....those front fenders are definitely not Dodge, but they fit so well to the frame. At least I have never seen those fenders on a Dodge truck. I welcome an education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert b Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I have the sneaking suspicion that it is not a Dodge truck.....those front fenders are definitely not Dodge, but they fit so well to the frame. At least I have never seen those fenders on a Dodge truck. I welcome an education.Keiser31 and countrytravler, from my copy of the Graham Brothers sales man hand book dated May29 1929 the engine and gear box look like they are from 2 and 3 ton and coach power plants with four speed transmissions. the diff looks like a Timken rear axle. They are shown as being manufactured by Dodge Brothers and sold under the name of Graham Brothers. regards bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Found no#s on the engine or frame. To weather beaten, rust etc. More pictures of the Yellow Submarine. Dog hunting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I have the sneaking suspicion that it is not a Dodge truck.....those front fenders are definitely not Dodge, but they fit so well to the frame. At least I have never seen those fenders on a Dodge truck. I welcome an education.Oops....I meant Graham truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Keiser31 and countrytravler, from my copy of the Graham Brothers sales man hand book dated May29 1929 the engine and gear box look like they are from 2 and 3 ton and coach power plants with four speed transmissions. the diff looks like a Timken rear axle. They are shown as being manufactured by Dodge Brothers and sold under the name of Graham Brothers. regards bobI still believe this to be a Senior 6 which was used in the larger Dodge/graham trucks.It definitely is not a DA 6. I have only two valve covers on my 29 DA 6 and this has three.We need a frame number. This should be on the title if available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I think this was a donor car. No title and frame to rusted to get #S. Also the engine mount has 2 bosses in front for the mount on the truck. The DA6 has a cross bracket for the front mount. I just had a customer buy 2 (graham or D.B. trucks) that are going to be roded. Will have parts for sale.attachments — Download all attachments View all images Share all images [TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg44K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg40K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg33K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg33K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg36K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg38K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg39K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg42K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg41K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf hr]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: hw][/TD][TD]image.jpeg34K View Share Download [/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf gz ac3]<tbody>[TR][TD] Reply[/TD][TD][/TD][TD] Forward[/TD][TD][/TD][TD=class: io][/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][TABLE=class: cf FVrZGe]<tbody>[TR][TD=class: amq][/TD][TD=class: amr]Click here to Reply or Forward<input class="amp" type="text">[/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE]Why this ad?Ads – New RAM 3500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Picture not viewable. Do not use Goggle Account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Picture not viewable. Do not use Goggle Account It shows on my end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't see the photos in post #35, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I don't see the photos in post #35, either. Why would it show on my end? I'll try something different later.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Scafani Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 (edited) "I'm looking for an engine for a 1927 (I think) Graham Bros fire engine. I have just the block, which has 5 main bearings, so it looks like it is a 1927 or later 212 cu. in. Dodge engine." can you post a photo of the front cross member and the clutch? I would then be able to identify the engine. Or post the engine serial number. Edited June 15, 2013 by Bob Scafani (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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