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Treasure Hunt. ~1918 dodge?


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Hi there, new to the forum.

Every since i was a little girl Ive wanted to dig out this old car that was buried on our property.

Well since then i grew and gave birth to two healthy strong boys, old enough to be intrested the old parts sticking out of the ground. :cool:

So i grabbed a shovel and started taking the soil away from the mystery coupe....Shortley after they took over and dug it out ,now they are so excited to learn about it. We are still excavating parts and trying to figure out what we have here.

I thought i would join your forum and learn a bit of history. here is some pics of what weve unburied so far. ~ finding metal pieces spread about 300 mtrs... I believe the engine is gone. unfortunalty i cleaned the yard and got rid of alot of that side.:( but whats left is still COOL> :) were pretty sure is around 1918 made by dodge brothers... your in put is most welcome. thanks in advance. Jenn-John n boys

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OK heres another picture....model A Ford good thinking. Theres a plate on the front passenger, engine side. needs to be cleaned up is it stamped or painted?

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post-92686-143141847917_thumb.jpgthis is the frame still buried in the dirt, must be 4 ft down.:) Boys where busy finding this..

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post-92686-143141847907_thumb.jpgI believe this is the clutch? brake?

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post-92686-143141847902_thumb.jpgpart frame from old tractor or parts of the new find? another treasure to un bury.:)

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Ok, based on the fact that the spair tire carrier and pistons are 1950's or newer that stuff hasn't been burried all that long. Amazing that the stuff hasn't rusted, must be special dirt up there. Rear body section isn't Ford, guess it may be Dodge, the top iron clamps look really nice. Bob

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My dad buried everything....... he said his treasures are in the ground. Back in that time it wasnt unheard off to bury everything. Since ive moved back home ive taken "TRUCK " loads of treasures off this property....... we even found a wonder bread bag was buried way down under ground and the bag looked brand new. These parts could come from different time eras, as weve been on this property for over 100 yrs.

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The "umbrella" was the term used for soft top. And the "bonnet" was the hood, I guess I picked that up being female:)

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The "umbrella" was the term used for soft top. And the "bonnet" was the hood, I guess I picked that up being female:)

I thought "hood" meant "top over the passengers" and "bonnet" meant "top over the engine" where you live.

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Well now a days the hood is over the engine ..and its a cab over your head...lol but it is the english language it changes all the time. We are on the west coast of BC. in the mountains. Just north of whistler bc canada. I think those handles are the best part it..... so its not a ford perhaps a dodge but we still dont know yet? i guess it will have numbers on the frame, once it gets dug up. gotta keep these boys motivated.

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Freguson helped Ford design the iconic tractor's, 9n 2n 8n, before starting his own tractor business. His accessories had his name plate's. I too, am amazed at the condition of the metal being buried! It does appear to be a collection of different vehicle's. You say your family's been on the property for quite a while, I would guess it's time for you to dig out the old picture album (it seems no one is ever interested in), a look in the background for family car's may provide something interesting, including farm equipment.

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Freguson helped Ford design the iconic tractor's, 9n 2n 8n, before starting his own tractor business. His accessories had his name plate's. I too, am amazed at the condition of the metal being buried! It does appear to be a collection of different vehicle's. You say your family's been on the property for quite a while, I would guess it's time for you to dig out the old picture album (it seems no one is ever interested in), a look in the background for family car's may provide something interesting, including farm equipment.

Intresting, thank you ~ .. Mom has some steel wheels at the house . ~ dad built a planter with one of them from a old crankcase and drum from something else.

So we have the frame of a wagon with the brakes or gears on the front, thinking that ferguson stamped part is possibley the hitch where it was hooked up to a tractor maybe?

As for pictures, its possible my mom may have something.

This was from my great Uncle Max's property so it was his stuff, its just buried on our property line. N

New owners have bought over 30 acres so were getting it out before we cant access it anymore....... cleaning up.

My Grandfather has over 50 acres up the meadows, should be some cool stuff on there as well..

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This is a cool idea you've come up with, making this sort of treasure hunt project for your family to enjoy while learning something about old cars and their own family history. You really remind me of my own parents, always encouraging me to look beyond the obvious, dig a little deeper and have fun doing it. No matter what comes out of that soil or what becomes of it, you will all surely have a great time along the way.

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This is a cool idea you've come up with, making this sort of treasure hunt project for your family to enjoy while learning something about old cars and their own family history. You really remind me of my own parents, always encouraging me to look beyond the obvious, dig a little deeper and have fun doing it. No matter what comes out of that soil or what becomes of it, you will all surely have a great time along the way.

I ran into a cousin who lives on the far end of the property. Shared what we had discovered with her about the coupe, she said her father was born in 1919 so It more then likely belonged to his parents..... mystery unsolved... very cool ~ No diggers today But it will still be there tommorow.:)

those albums i will definatly see what my mom has.......The wagon...:) is a really cool project too, if u look closely at it buried in the sticks. you can see some kind of braking system.. ill take a pic of the wheels., maybe we can get some date on them......its is fun to share! Its a win win situation, the boys are busy, yards getting cleaned up, learning history, need to document because it gets lost with time.

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Looked through some albums..... what are the chances.;)

Im still not sure what it is yet......... but it belonged to my Great Grandfather Max Menzel.

My Grandmother is in the pic with her cousins from Everett Washington.

The wagon was a potatoe seeder maybe? Explains the shaft with the gears all down it i think. pic of the wheel planter my dad made for my mom before he passed away.

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As usual, "the Keiser" can ID the auto's. I don't believe the second pic is potato. Appear's the guy's are baging crop right out of the belt driven wagon, possibly corn wheat. One guy filling and the other sewing the bag. IS the rim on the wheel on the third pic curved? if so, it probably had a hard rubber tire on it. If it were flat (can;t tell how wide it is) could be a manure spreader wheel, which would acount for the geared axle, rear wheels on spreader's were geared.

Wonder if the fenders belonged to a pickup, has the tire mount on the passenger side. Perhaps John can enlighten.

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As usual, "the Keiser" can ID the auto's. I don't believe the second pic is potato. Appear's the guy's are baging crop right out of the belt driven wagon, possibly corn wheat. One guy filling and the other sewing the bag. IS the rim on the wheel on the third pic curved? if so, it probably had a hard rubber tire on it. If it were flat (can;t tell how wide it is) could be a manure spreader wheel, which would acount for the geared axle, rear wheels on spreader's were geared.

Wonder if the fenders belonged to a pickup, has the tire mount on the passenger side. Perhaps John can enlighten.

Well we looked at the picture of the chev. I dont think its the truck or coupe we have in the yard. The back is different. but thats a sweet car, i have no idea what ever happen to that one.......... i dug a bit further down where the frame is theres alot of gravel on it. its slow digging..:) ill post more as we go...... ill check that wheel. theres one thats not welded too a camshaft.:)

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Well we looked at the picture of the chev. I dont think its the truck or coupe we have in the yard. The back is different. but thats a sweet car, i have no idea what ever happen to that one.......... i dug a bit further down where the frame is theres alot of gravel on it. its slow digging..:) ill post more as we go...... ill check that wheel. theres one thats not welded too a camshaft.:)

You are correct about the car in the ground not being the same as the car in the photo. I was identifying the car in the photo. The front fenders of the car that you dug up has that 1930 or '31 Chevrolet look to them with the two bolts near the front right side holding the fender brace on. Model A Fords have one per fender and Chrysler products don't have any that show. Looks like the same fenders on this 1930 Chevy.....

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well we dug and dug,,, and got it out. here is what it is. i think its up side down...... it has a number on the frame....MH 0-2686` here is some pictures of what we found today.

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the wagon wheel .. i didnt see any markings on the bows........just hard rubber in side ~ they are seized closed.

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Looking at that frame and it doesn't look like any car frame I've ever looked at... maybe another farm implement? The low slung crossmembers and the chained braces ... I wish I could blow it up clearer. Is that lever still attached in it's original location, and is that the end of the frame? If so, it's not where it should be on any car.

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The lever is right were it was, in the middle.. the chains are attached to the back of the frame , did you see the cotter pin? it was still in.....we will get it out of that area and set up by the other pieces in the morning. i have no idea what it is. i was hoping that number meant something....farm tractor is very possible......wagon frame.. square nuts.?

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I don't think it's a tractor, more likely a drawn implement. That lever likely operated a depth control or brake. Still wondering if that is the back, front or side of the machine. Doesn't look like anything I recognize from prairie agriculture... maybe something related to fruit or vegetable production. Those chained side braces may have went to something like a box container (seed, harvested produce?) or may have been to allow a tillage mechanism (looks light for a plow... maybe a disc?) to move separate from the frame.

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post-47067-143141855208_thumb.jpg Well... I polled an ag forum I frequent and we came to the conclusion that the "frame" you have excavated is actually from a farm implement, an old spring tooth harrow. I believe the chained brace along the side would have been used to attach 2 together in unison. The lever would actuate the depth control for the C shanks. The MH in your casting number could possibly stand for Massey Harris.

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post-47067-143141855211_thumb.jpgAccording to this manual on Ebay, they were first put up for sale in 1905... with the squared crossbars I would say that what you have is an early series. Sorry if I beat this to death and got off topic...but you know how it is when you start digging....
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I recognize the MH on the casting - definitely Massey Harris - whtbaron has it right. We had some Massey Harris equipment years ago although not what you have unearthed. Used to be a lot of scrap piles on farms with stuff in them like what you are finding but as scrap prices got better and scroungers got more persistent much of it disappeared. Unusual to see it buried though. Looks like fun :)

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]188803[/ATTACH]According to this manual on Ebay, they were first put up for sale in 1905... with the squared crossbars I would say that what you have is an early series. Sorry if I beat this to death and got off topic...but you know how it is when you start digging....

Oh wow. look at you!/:) great info. now we can look for and hopefully recognise a few pieces weve dug up, there also a big bunch of dirt gravel that has more peices, omgosh the stuff we found here.........ill share what i can down load. history unfolding..Mom said she has 5 boxes of old pictures of my grammas, which is her dads farm. I guess ill have to go look for this now.thanks for the research......I guess this was horse drawn, and it must fold out because there is two pieces......?

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Looking at the far frame, i see thats the other piece thats still partley buried.. We found long straps, we thought were a leaf spring or something . so maybe we have that whole piece. The Museum might like that..:)

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Someone mentioned that Ferguson helped design the 9N, 2N, and 8N Ford Tractors. Ferguson's role was he designed the three point hitch system for attaching implements. The 9N was a Ford Ferguson; the 2N and 8N were simply "Fords." Ferguson then started building the TO 20 about 1951 and the TO 30 in 1952. I have a 1952 Ferguson TO 30.

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Ey me Laddys and Lassies, It be a history lesson ye be lookin for.... Harry Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Be lookin here also... Harry Ferguson and henry Ford photo - Google Search

This will keep the Laddys busy for a spell on a rainy day. :D It is rather amazing how pathes crossed to create the modern world we live in. I can tell you from personal experiance that the Ferguson tractor with the Continental inline 4 with overhead valves is a much better tractor than Henry Ford's flat head design. Dandy Dave!

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Ey me Laddys and Lassies, It be a history lesson ye be lookin for.... Harry Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Be lookin here also... Harry Ferguson and henry Ford photo - Google Search

This will keep the Laddys busy for a spell on a rainy day. :D It is rather amazing how pathes crossed to create the modern world we live in. I can tell you from personal experiance that the Furgusons with the Continental Inline 4 with overhead valves is a much better tractor than Henry Ford's Flat head design. Dandy Dave!

Great more info.. slowly piecing it together, So since Ferguson went on his own and fixed the articulated plow, making it stable enough to be pulled by a model T or model A ? I suppose with the bottom end of that car found right there would explain the era . maybe gggrampa got a real tractor then.:) Oats they farmed and Pototaoes in this valley. We supply idaho with our seed potatoe. My grandfather won a watch from the toronto argicultural exibition. There must be document on that somewhere too....... thanks for keeping me thinking!

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