Taylormade

The Ressurection of Daphne - a 1932 DL

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On 8/25/2013 at 9:32 PM, 34dodger said:

Finally had time to take a few pics of what your tailpipe bracket should look like. This from a '32 DK. I had this revulcanized by Antique Auto Parts Cellar, who does excellent work. Looks like you're missing the u-shaped inner plate with the 2 studs that's part of the vulcanized assembly, which the tailpipe bracket bolts to, as well as the tailpipe bracket.

Love the work and documentation you're doing!

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I think I have one of those brackets wondered what it went to,

 

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I hope your surgery goes well. I am reminded of one of my hiking friends. He is in his mid 80s and had both knees done around age 60. He was promised 30 million movements and continued to walk everywhere, including in the mountains. He must be well past that number but keeps on going. He has retired from our hiking, but still walks an hour every day with his wife. Kia kaha! be strong, keep going, get stuck in, as our Māori people say. (pronounced keea kaha with short "a"s).

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Hope your surgery goes to plan. I've started back on my car after a 6 week overseas holiday. Tackling the front window frame linings for the glass. Fun Job.

Your progress looks as though it will be finished soon. How far off do you think ?

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Well, the news just keeps getting worse.  The day before the scheduled operation the hospital calls and says it’s a no-go as my electrocardiograph came back with irregularities.  Now I have to go in for tests on August 7th.  Very discouraging.  I’d love to be talking restoration  rather than medical problems, but I have no choice at the moment.  I’m hoping to finish Daphne before I take the big dirt nap.

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Very sorry to hear that. It's a bugger, this getting old business. My wife says "I thought getting old would take longer".

Hope you get some good luck soon.

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Good luck. There are lots of options for heart problems and continuing restoration of Daphne shouldn't be too stressful. You'll get her done! 

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Thanks for asking, Ian.  The day before I was to have the surgery, the hospital called and said they wouldn’t do the operation due to irregularities in my EKG - which I was required to have in advance.  This has resulted in over a month of tests which ended up concluding my heart was okay considering my age.  Now the surgery is scheduled for October first.  It’s been a depressing and wasted summer, with little work being accomplished.

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Thank you for the update. I, too, have been hoping things were OK with you. At least there is good news about your heart and a new schedule.

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Happy to hear you have a surgery date on the calendar.  
As much as I, and everyone else, is looking forward to progress updates ... Daphne can wait a little longer
Good Luck!

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Best to make sure before the op. I thought I'd post a lot of bits while you were laid up to take the pressure off you !! Looking back I guess I needed a break from the car but now I jumped back in to a point where I've finally booked her in for the Upholsterers. Madly trying to get her to a point where its ready for them....front windows are testing me.

My thread is being bounced all over the forums as there has been a bit of a glitch as they've lost all the first lot of my posts and photos but they are trying to sort that out.

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I have been away checking here very seldom. Been on the road moving cars across country. What is going on with your knees? i also tore the Meniscus in my left knee. Know my right knee is giving me problems. I guess all the years from jumping out of airplanes, tow trucks, car haulers and being a mechanic. Doc says knee replacement. I'm looking into Stem Cell procedure. Still driving the truck but being very careful not to make sudden moves. I will be following your progress with your knees and car. If I can, I'm going to be on the road for another 2 years then look into what action to take with my knees. Then ill deal with that issue and will be doing a restoration on our 34 dodge tow truck and working on buying a 39 Ply 4 dr convertible that really does not need restoration. Its a beautiful CA rust free car that has never been messed with.

 

GOOD LUCK WITH EVERYTHING!!!

 

DAVE

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On 6/24/2019 at 11:01 AM, knobless said:

I think I have one of those brackets wondered what it went to,

 

I have a few of those, never knew what they fit, mine need the rubber but are in good shape, how much was the rubber done by then and Now? Just had them do my mounts for 34 Dodge

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I finally got up the nerve to tackle the last mechanical part that needs restoring - the ever popular Gemmer steering box.  It came apart fairly easily - the twp parts were really stuck together after eighty years, but I got them apart with the use of a makeshift puller I made up from a piece of hardwood and a couple of bolts.  All that being said, I know next to nothing about these units so any help would be appreciated.  The parts cleaned up pretty well thanks to my local auto repair shop graciously allowing me to use their hot solvent washer (one of the perks of living in a small town.)  After a bit of wire brush work, the pieces cleaned up very well.  The other half was still soaking in some solvent to get the last of the thick grease inside when I took these photos.

 

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To my eye, the worm gear looked pretty good.  But, as I said, I'm certainly no expert.  What do you guys think?

 

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As you may have noticed, the worm gear slipped down the steering shaft during removal.  At the moment, I can't get it back up to where it belongs.  I'm assuming it should be even with the keyway at both ends.  I don't want to beat on it.  Will I have to find someone with an hydraulic press to get it back into position?

 

This is my biggest worry.  There is obvious wear to the pinion gear (not sure of the correct term) where it meshes with the worm gear.  I don't know what is acceptable in these cases, but there is certainly some damage.  I don't plan to drive the car to California twice a year, so maybe this isn't as bad as I thought, but it was disappointing to see.

 

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I'll post some pictures of the bearings once I get them cleaned up.  From what I understand, they are no longer available, so I hope they are still okay.

 

This was the messiest, greasiest job on the entire car, by far.

 

 

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Looking at some other posts on the Gemmer, I'm now not sure i did move the worm gear on the shaft after all.  I guess all I can do it do a reassembly after everything is cleaned up and see if the top of the steering shaft lines up with the outer steering column.  I can probably do it with out replacing the top bearing and race to make it easier.

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Unless you can find some replacement parts, you are stuck with what you have. Have the sector shaft ground if it is not round and replace the brass or bronze bushes to a very close tolerance. Any lateral movement in the shaft will be reflected in play at the steering wheel rim.

 

The worm may be in the right place. Is there any sign of it having been further up the shaft? They are a press fit on the shaft. Unless you used a lot of force, it should not have moved.

 

The bearings in my DC were the originals. I managed to get new cups but nothing else. I just reused the old bearings, which were in very good condition. They don't seem to wear much.

 

I had an O-ring put in at the spline end of the shaft bush - there was no oil retainer in there originally.

 

Once rebushed etc., reassemble and adjust. That is as good as it gets. You can't really tell the amount of play at the steering wheel unless you have a load on the Pitman arm = steering arm = drop arm to hold it in position while you wiggle the wheel back and forth. Remember to use an NLGI 00 semi-fluid grease for lubrication. If you use "chassis" grease = NLGI 2, it will be wiped off he worm in a few turns and it won't flow back, leaving no lubrication.

 

Metal spray and so on cannot be used to build up the sector or worm because they will soon peel off. The action of sector on worm is a high pressure shear, which will peel off any surface addition.

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3 hours ago, Taylormade said:

 

This is my biggest worry.  There is obvious wear to the pinion gear (not sure of the correct term) where it meshes with the worm gear.  I don't know what is acceptable in these cases, but there is certainly some damage.  I don't plan to drive the car to California twice a year, so maybe this isn't as bad as I thought, but it was disappointing to see.

 

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That doesn’t look too bad, if clean it all up then re-assemble and adjust in the correct order and see how it feels and if you have too much play.  Mine was a lot worse than that and I couldn’t get a good balance between not binding and not having too much play.  I ended up having to polish the wear of the gears.  It took ages and had to polish a bit, re assemble and adjust with some blue on the teeth - try it under load then strip and use the blue markings to guide where more polishing was needed.  Took me about a week but worked out nice in the end!

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I know much , if not all of this may not be applicable to your steering box, but may be worth a read.

Not sure if yours is the same, but the most important thing to realize with the DA box is that free play must be minimal in the "straight ahead" position but increases dramatically towards either right or left lock. This is normal to ensure that the car does not wander  when driving on a straight road.

Good luck

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Taylmade, I have a technical builtin, I got from Harry  on adjusting Gimmer box, if you PM me your email , I will send you a link

 

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Checking things out in the steering box and I think it looks okay. 

 

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The bearings and races seem to be fine. 

 

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The race up inside the housing looks to be fine - I don't know how I'd ever get it out of there if i had to replace it!  I'm now pretty sure the worm gear did not move on the shaft.  The key is integral to the worm and it looks like the gear is right up to where the keyway starts to rise up.  The steering shaft does not come out of the bottom of the worm - it falls maybe a quarter of an inch short.  If anyone has a disassembled unit that shows the position of the worm gear on the shaft I'd sure like to see a photo or some measurements.  A little paint and I'll put it back together.

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Glad to see you back on it.

Been enjoying your build for a few years.

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