Jump to content

The Ressurection of Daphne - a 1932 DL


Recommended Posts

On 6/10/2017 at 1:42 PM, Taylormade said:

Everything is finally back from the painter.  My narrow garage is full to the brim with shiny parts and I'm starting to put Daphne back together.IMG_0095.thumb.jpg.3d8f60ae57d56187e5885b978b3643fc.jpg

 

IMG_0100.thumb.jpg.0417ac8484d27225fe27d4fe27700d33.jpg

 

IMG_0094.thumb.jpg.b61bfce64488075349248cf03b3e56ea.jpg

 

It's amazing how much you forget over the course of a few years.  As I went to put on the rear gas tank cover, I went back to some photos I'd taken during the initial disassembly.  I discovered all sorts of webbing and rubber pads that would have slipped my mind if I didn't have these reference shots.  Here is the frame right after the sheet metal was removed.  Much of the original webbing is rotten and falling apart, but it's still there.

 

IMG_2193.thumb.jpg.e124a1872bfb034caaf6aaf6da0570ec.jpg

 

IMG_2176.thumb.jpg.4ed115cf575e5d5f182be9284a85c5ed.jpg

 

Here is the same area with new webbing and rubber pads installed.

 

IMG_0096.thumb.jpg.774a11fc59287016dedc65987d444774.jpg

 

I had three of the four original rubber pads, but they were hard as a rock, so I made some new ones out of two layers of rubber to get the correct thickness.

 

IMG_0099.thumb.jpg.578349c901fedbdfecac2172859e30b5.jpg

 

The gas tank cover went on without a hitch, held on by those odd bolts and cupped washers Chrysler liked to use.

 

IMG_0102.thumb.jpg.767ee506c88fda244fc57736d0289b21.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

Comment from Johnthistle: Beautiful! Exciting times! We have all certainly vicariously enjoyed following this project with your great photo series!  John

Edited by Johnthistle
Clarify (see edit history)
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...

After two years the body is finally back on the frame and Daphne is actually starting to look like a car again.  As you can see from the pictures, I used concrete blocks to raise the body up enough to roll the frame underneath - not a method I'd recommend, but I had six people helping and it all went smoothly.  After the fact I realized I hadn't taken any pictures - too much going on at the time.  Please excuse the fingerprints all over the freshly chromed radiator shell in these after the fact shots!

 

IMG_0109.thumb.JPG.a1a3200a42eaf244e9945847a2cd8ca6.JPG

 

IMG_0111.thumb.JPG.92c8c278e4c8c082a4344d17f1b54c02.JPG

 

IMG_0112.thumb.JPG.18233bd46c605020018e08b1863f4431.JPG

 

IMG_0113.thumb.JPG.eb18a9d18fa6646713d767fcbc73af04.JPG

IMG_0110.JPG

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

All of the fender welting was gone on my car when I got it.  Does anyone know what size welting was used on the 32 models?  I assume it was either 1/4 inch or 3/16 inch, both of which are available from Restoration Specialties.  Here are a few shots from an original car.

59497d41e9214_T2eC16N!)QE9s3HDw7SBSEWp5z8w60_3.jpg.b19ebe4c89dff95fbc0bf5f3132e5b0a.jpg

 

59497d4b1b2c3_(KGrHqVHJCUFH6s!BBMnBSEWqHWWV!60_3.jpg.86d9840697fceb452d08d60aafe7d22a.jpg

 

59497d4eaebf7_T2eC16VHJHoFGk-C8OD9BSEWqV5n5Q60_3.jpg.95777038823fb841aec00c283a4294ae.jpg

 

59497d5d7d010_(KGrHqZ!nYFIKLBVcy2BSEWqNc3Q60_3.jpg.67d4666695a9ed1122ab20f0f1b6bab6.jpg

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I was reading, with amusement, some of my early posts from April, 2013 where I confidently state I plan to have the restoration of Daphne completed by the Dodge Brothers Centenial Meet in 2014.  Boy was I naive!  Over four years later and I'm still grinding away. Still, despite many setbacks - and more to come, I'm sure - it's been a lot of fun.

 

 

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Taylormade said:

I was reading, with amusement, some of my early posts from April, 2013 where I confidently state I plan to have the restoration of Daphne completed by the Dodge Brothers Centenial Meet in 2014.  Boy was I naive!  Over four years later and I'm still grinding away. Still, despite many setbacks - and more to come, I'm sure - it's been a lot of fun.

 

 

 

Plus you moved?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I know my Dad was a stickler for originality and when he got these rolls of welting, he compared them to the tattered original stuff he took off of the '31 coupe. It's 3/16" and some has the vinyl all through and some is fabric and vinyl.

Picture 22302.jpg

Picture 22303.jpg

Picture 22305.jpg

Picture 22304.jpg

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'd say that you should use 3/16 around the fenders. Restoration Specialties still carries the lacquered cloth welting but make sure you ask for the original style stuff. Some guys are selling a vinyl welting that looks like crap. the lacquered material is paintable too.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, I planned to go with the Restoration Specialties fender welt. 

 

Every once in a while, when I get a bit down, I pull out an old picture of Daphne and get a better idea of what she will look like when I'm finally finished.  I love this one, taken by Phil Kennedy when he owned her around 1969.

 

6.thumb.jpg.bc0d965b230406406aaf04a2d1a6e259.jpg

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Got the front fenders on today.  First job was installing the webbing between the frame and the fender.

 

IMG_0114.thumb.jpg.3e0cb532298ea777a62654a5f34d472e.jpg

 

IMG_0115.thumb.jpg.6787f99609d882c25411c97fbd5153df.jpg

 

I used self adhesive webbing from Mac's and it worked very well.

 

After that the fenders went on with a bit of fiddling.  For any 32DL owners out there with sidemount fenders - take the sidemount well brace off the frame before installing the fender.  I learned that the hard way.  Here's my lovely and patient wife, Kathy, putting the brackets back on.  Honestly, I was too frustrated at this point to do it myself.

 

IMG_0122.thumb.jpg.ebab51d5f537b92e1833f37958ff1836.jpg

 

Fenders on with plenty of fingerprints to show for  it.

 

IMG_0123.thumb.jpg.d67ef2c040ea37eb77b07c32063cdd9e.jpg

 

IMG_0124.thumb.jpg.2652ef2da8a0efab4c1f52162b17cd5d.jpg

 

Rear fenders next and then covering the running boards.  The weather looks good this week so I should be able to make good progress.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/8/2017 at 7:00 AM, Taylormade said:

Always a tough choice.  I'd like to get it started before I get the front fenders on just in case it needs major work that I don't see coming.  It's certainly easier to adjust the valves and such with it out in the open.  It's one of the reasons I waited until the weather at least warmed up a bit.

Did I miss it or did this happen? Is the car running?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I went yellow and decided to hook up the gauges and wiring first.  I may regret it, but the car turned over easily and the valves are adjusted so I went cosmetic over mechanical.  It just looks so cool with the fenders on I couldn't resist.  As I said, I may rue the day!

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Very nice, looks like you are about 50% complete!!! Just kidding TM, amazing how long it actually takes to finish assembling a car even after all the rebuilding/painting/upholstery work is done. Don't know how the factories back then could produce a few hundred of these a day! Love the car.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm in the process of converting all my third party Photobucket pix on this thread.  If some photos disappear, never fear, I'll get them back.  Everything should be good past page 38, but there may be a temporary problem with photos earlier than that - if anyone is actually bothering to still read my posts from two years ago. :)

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay, here's a technical question - two companies with similar names, so I always get confused.  I need 3/16 fender welt and it was suggested that I get it from Restoration Specialties as they had the original, non-vinyl style.  But in their catalog they state their product is vinyl coated.  When I look at the Restoration Supply product, it's listed as "Black heavy coated, bright glazed drill, folded cord and glued to form a bead on one edge; resists flattening around sharp corners."  I'm assuming this is the stuff that is the better product.  It better be as the Restoration Specialties stuff goes for a buck a foot, while the Restoration Supply welt is $3.70 a foot.  Anyone had an experience with either of these products?

overc

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, keiser31 said:

Where's Carbking when you need him?

Hosting a family reunion!

 

On a 1932 Dodge, I do not have the answer and looking forward to learning the answer from a 1932 Dodge enthusiast; however:

 

Carter also made the type BB-1 updraft for marine applications.

 

When the engine is turned off, with an updraft carburetor, all fuel currently in suspension in the intake manifold will fall (gravity) to the throttle plate, and then into the air intake of the carburetor. To counteract this issue, Carter offered a "drip tube". There is a threaded boss in the lowest point of the air intake with a tiny hole. All of the gasoline falling into the air intake will congregate just above the hole. The drip tube was a piece of copper tubing connected on one end to the threaded hole in the intake, then dropping a couple of inches, sometimes making a loop for more volume, and finally connecting to the threaded hole in question in the picture, which is above the throttle plate and exposed to engine vacuum. When the engine Is turned off, the fuel will accumulate in the drip tube. When the engine is started, the fuel in the drip tube is pulled into the intake, and acts as a "starter circuit" instead of the physical choke. Fuel leakage is not a desirable trait on a boat, and the drop tube pretty well solved the issue!

 

Jon.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Phil 32DL6 said:

As further reference on this, mine seems to have a simple plug installed...probably brass?...probably factory installed?

 

(Image taken in a mirror, then flopped)

BB-1 Plug.jpg

Interesting that yours has no hole where the other shows a bolt.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Now I'll add to the confusion.  I'm not sure if Phil's photo is flopped or he has a left hand carb.  Being left-handed myself, I'm always confused when it comes to direction.  Anyway, I flopped his photo to what I think is the correct orientation and compared it to mine.596a62dccc212_carbcomp.thumb.jpg.748cfd53468ff7dbabdfb4fb44f60ace.jpg

 

It looks like Phil's carb has no hole drilled and tapped like my carb does.  I think what Phil is identifying as a plug is actually the brass pivot shaft for the throttle valve.  At any rate, I think carbking's explanation makes perfect sense and I think we have the problem solved.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it was a brain flop instead. I had the flopped photo ready to upload when I realized that i had wanted to put the red arrow in. So I went back and put that in but forgot to flop the newly revised photo...thus the original true mirror image look. And, yes, yours has the throttle linkage in the back of the carb while mine has it at the front, so mine just shows a flush pivot shaft in back. My throttle linkage is intimately tied in with the auto clutch linkages in front.

Edited by Phil 32DL6
Additional info. (see edit history)
Link to post
Share on other sites

One of the issues which continually haunts enthusiasts is the incomplete information in the factory parts manuals, which is then parroted on this and other forums. My guess would be the factory parts manual for the 1932 Dodge lists a Carter BB carburetor.

 

Carter made the BB carburetors in two styles, updraft and downdraft (although most refer to the BB downdraft as a BBR).

 

I have information on 28 different BB updraft carburetors used by 14 different makes, plus the 5 different universals.

 

Always a good idea when posting to list the carb number (if known) along with the type.

 

And not just carburetors! I learned this lesson on a different forum when finished my highly modified 1974 Pontiac GTO (yes, I know this is a restoration forum, but I did save all original parts, and some future caretaker could return it to original, if desired). Two gentleman that I know well and trust implicitly answered my question as to whether the GTO long branch factory Ram Air exhaust manifolds would fit on the '74 GTO. Both had the long branches on their cars. On the strength of that knowledge, I ordered a set of the reproductions. We put the engine in the car, and could not attach the driver's side manifold. Finally gave up, pulled the engine, installed the manifolds on the engine, and could not get the engine in the car! Called one of the gentlemen on the telephone (still a much more powerful tool than email!!! ;)). We talked for awhile, and finally one of us mentioned steering. He had manual steering, I had power. Found a manual steering box. Sure enough, the power steering box was 1/4 inch, one miserable 1/4 inch wider!  :angry: Then had to find a steering link but that is another story. 2 years later, had the entire manual steering AND the engine with the long branches installed.

 

Entirely my fault for not mentioning that I had power steering.:(

 

One simply cannot post too much information when asking questions.:)

 

Jon.

Edited by carbking (see edit history)
Link to post
Share on other sites

Good info, Jon.  In fact, the original carb on the 32 Dodge Brothers was not a BB-1 updraft, but one of the Carters with the brass bowl - like the one you rebuilt for my 1929 Plymouth Model U twenty-five years ago.  I know the BB-1 was a dealer replacement as the original carbs had problems.

 

Edited by Taylormade (see edit history)
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...