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Can anyone explain to me the difference between Bliss and a Mclean 1903 Curved Dash Olds? <o:p></o:p>

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Is one better than the other?<o:p></o:p>

Are the sellingprices much different?<o:p></o:p>

Are they both fullsize?<o:p></o:p>

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Thanks<o:p></o:p>

Steve<o:p></o:p>

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Have found a 1903 CDO made by McLean in all originalcondition. No restoration and almost perfect. I even had a SKYPE tour of it since it is located on the west coast and I am on the east coast.<o:p></o:p>

Car is all original except a new tires and motor cyclespokes put into the original bicycle style rims and hubs. While on SKYPE he turned the key and it started on the first turn. It has been in a home garage in CA since 1999 and used a few times every year for parades.<o:p></o:p>

I have a questions for those of you that have bought cars unseen and had shipped. I need to know that I am not sending my money to a scam. The owner obviously wants his money before the truck comes to move it and I need to know I am actually going to get the car 3000 miles away. What is the best way to pay the man? I had suggested using PayPal which we both have but that still doesn't tell me he is who he says he is. He suggested as a backup for me to transfer the money from my bank to his credit union where he keeps his savings. Losing $8500 plus shipping would be a killer for me.<o:p></o:p>

My next question is; does anyone know a shipper that does cross country car moving in an enclosed container since the cars seat cushions and roof are all leather; that you would recommendto me? I want to know this perfect car stays that way.<o:p></o:p>

Third and last question is about the wheel spokes. The owner tells me he has had trouble with spokes breaking in the past and it usually happens while turning. He had all the spokes replaced with motorcycle spokes but still has an occasional spoke break. He has ordered 10 extra custom made SS spokes and nipples for me because he is concerned with this problem happening to me. Has anyone heard of this problem with the McLean wire spoke wheels?

See specs and pics below.<o:p></o:p>

Thanks<o:p></o:p>

Steve<o:p></o:p>

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It would be best if you could find someone on the forum to go and look at the vehicle for you, to verify both condition and that it's physically where the man says it is. What looks "perfect" in a picture can be much less so in person.

Once you trust the man, then a wire transfer can work, you should get some notarized agreement from him before sending the money, otherwise, as my lawyer once told me, it can be considered a "gift" ......... at least with a piece of signed paper you have some record of the agreement.

There are numerous companies transporting antique cars across country, and they'd take this in an enclosed trailer, even though technically it's not an "antique" car. Unfortunately, across country, unless you find someone travelling that way empty, is going to be over $2000.

Just as a comment, the $8500 sounds high for a replica Olds. I've seen them listed for much less. Condition is important of course, but still seems a tad high.....

Good luck!

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As recomended I am looking to see if anyone on this forum lives near the car I want to purchase. I live on the east coast and the car is on the west coast.

Car is located at 1005 Crestview Ave<o:p></o:p>

Seal Beach, CA 90740

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Steve

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Has anyone heard of a 1901 Rollsmobile replica of a CDO madein Ft Lauderdale, FL?<o:p></o:p>

I have a copy of a post card showing them all lined up infront of a factory.

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Steve

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Have bought two CDOs. First 1903 Mclean replica in perfect condition and all original. Second 1901 Rollsmobile rebuilt in very good condition. Wanted to know if there are any CDO clubs that I might want to belong to.

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Steve

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Steve, I already sent you the info on the CDO club but I was not aware you were buying replica's. These are not CDO's. (hate to be technical but they are not considered the same as the real ones) There were several manufacturers over the years and you can still find some literature for sale on the net. The Bliss were the first ones and a bit beefier then what came after in my opinion. There were at least different other manufacturers of replicas. I did own one at one time and used it for some paraades before selling it. In fact, there is a manufacturer trying to sell replicas right now, made this year. They are fun but the real thing is way more fun, aggravating and expensive! :D

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To a man of limited income as myself; these are CDOs and considereda precious item. I have since purchased a McLean and a Rollsmobile both in verygood to excellent condition. <o:p></o:p>

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Have not read about a new company making replica's and wouldlike very much like to hear more from you about this company.<o:p></o:p>

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Steve<o:p></o:p>

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I have posted many questions and spoken to a lot of peopleon this forum have received very few answers to my questions and have a verydistinct feeling that I am seen as a second class person because I aminterested in CDO replicas and not the real thing that is way beyond mydisability budget. Does anyone else get that feeling from this forum or from aCDO club? I have been told that a 1958 Bliss is not a CDO. Very disheartening. <o:p></o:p>

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Don't worry about it. The CDO was thought highly enough of to warrant building replicas, is why the replicas exist. If you enjoy the replica cars, why worry what someone else thinks? Besides- let word get out in your town that you have these and they will be in demand for parades and displays.

I can't answer your CDO questions because I have absolutely no experience with them, either the real thing or replica, and I think others are in similar situation. Steve M and possibly George Albright know more about them than probably anyone else on these Forums. The two people I can think of who could answer any question you might have are not Forum members and I don't have any personal contact info for them.

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I own a CDO replica as well. And also happen to be the webmaster of this website. I enjoy mine, but also realize it's a replica, and not a real Curved Dash Oldsmobile.

I just stumbled on this thread. The lack of response is probably more due to people simply not being familiar with them. Note that Steve Moskowitz, AACA Executive Director (who posted above) owns a real CDO, as well as a few replicas. He's a great recourse of information.

Peter

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Steve, I didn't intend in any way to disparage the replicas. If offense way taken I apologize. However, I was trying to explain a little bit about how people see them. In the past, some people have unwittingly bought a replica thinking it was the real thing. The CDO Club does not recognize them but certainly you are welcome to join the club. Gary puts out a lot of fascinating newsletter.

The replicas are not faithful reproductions so I am not sure you could say either is full scale. The Bliss as I said seemed a bit sturdier with a Kohler engine I believe. The Rollsmobile info is pretty easy to find and it comes up for sale all the time on Ebay or Walter Miller's Autolit.com site. I believe he also has the Merry Oldsmobile out of Ft. Lauderdale literature as well. The 2013 new venture is being advertised on eBay. They are taking orders and plan on building a "road worthy" replica...I have not seen the specs or solid literature yet but the company says it will go for $8000 plus.

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Thanks for the input and info but I think I would ratherfind a club that recognizes my 1903 McLean and 1901 Rollsmobile. We all can't affort the real thing and not sure I would be able to enjoy a real CDO since I would be worried about damaginging or it breaking down.

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OK so I bought my McLean 1903 CDO replica and now comes thescary part. How on earth am I going to get this wonderful car registered? Theheadlights are kerosene lamps and there aren’t any tail lights or breaklights. I have a CA title but don’t know if it is any good here in MA. I wantto use the car in parades and an occasional Sunday ride with the wife on the back roads ofNew England.<o:p></o:p>

Does anyone have experience with this? <o:p></o:p>

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My guess is the car would not be registered like a normalcar but would have some kind of antique plate limiting where and how the car wouldbe used.<o:p></o:p>

Any help would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p>

Thanks again to everyone that has been so helpful in mysearch for this great car that I have wanted to own since I was 14. (50 yrs.ago)<o:p></o:p>

Steve<o:p></o:p>

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Oh mercy. There's a can of worms I hadn't considered. Depending on how anal your state DMV is, you may not be able to register it for highway use unless you add lighting. I'm not sure what MA law is concerning antique plating but I'm bound to think it's been addressed with other brass era car owners.

Join a local AACA group or at least talk to AACA members who own similar cars and see what they did to license the car for even incidental road use. Good luck.

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From what I understand, the Bliss Surrey was a 1958-59 vintage partial-scale replica of the Curved Dash Olds. I also believe it was manufactured in my neck of the woods, in Canton, Ohio. I have provided a link for one that had been up for bids by Classic Motorcar Auctions, also based out of Canton, with more details on the history...

Classic Motorcar Auction

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