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Thank you guys for five good years.

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I know I'm new to the forums and don't know everyone very well, but I'd like to at least say thank you for the help you provided me. You replied to a majority of my questions (very promptly) and helped me make headway on my Reatta. Plus, you helped me find a good nickname for it... "mule". :P

Much appreciated and best wishes.

~ R▲VERRE▲TT▲ ~

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Way back when I first joined the group I had a couple disagreements/run-ins/etc......started to say "shove it" but remembered the old saying, "If you try to make everyone happy, someone will be unhappy about it"!

Decided to ignore the flack and everything has been great for many years.

Remember today is the first day of the rest of your life, sign back in!

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Thanks for all the good stuff over the years. I too used to spend a lot more time here than I do now. It has changed. These days it's easy to recognize the threads that will go south. I stay away from them. The ROJ is a valuable asset for any Reatta owner. Please consider keeping it around.

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This time, second Barney, and thirdly, (new word), Kingsley. I could not agree more about the valuable dimension to the forum that you have CONTRIBUTED! I would be much poorer without your input.

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Just bought a $1200 POS Reatta this month that's still up on stands. I agree with all, and you'll do what's best for you. Yet what a bummer of a first post. I was in the middle of ordering brake lines on Amazon when I came here, because no matter how much I research, you are the expert I aspire to be. Now I have three Buicks that don't run or drive and losing your inspiration is troublesome to me. I truly hope you'll reconsider closing the door. It took me 20 some odd years to finally decide to park another rusted Buick in my carport; right next to the Grand National that I bought out of college and in my wife's spot no less (yes she's carrying groceries in through the rain). Please know the sun isn't setting, it's rising. I hardly know you guys but you all helped me decide what to do with my cherished junk and I thank you for everything although we've never even met.

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Thanks for bringing the store back Ronnie. I just placed an order for some brake parts and a few other things, The Reatta Store made the whole process easy. And since we are in the middle of a snowstorm here, I could shop from the comfort and safety of my warm LazyBoy.

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For very selfish reasons I forbid you to leave. Come on back pally. I'll even invent a few problems to keep you busy, although they seem to pop up without prompting. Hope you realize I am trying to inject a bit of humor into a bad situation. Here's hoping you do return to the fold. Most of us are good guys.

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<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:RelyOnVML/> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]-->To whom it may concern,

I need a little help in understanding something here. There are about two dozen posters here that are calling for the return to this forum a particular poster. (There may be more that feel that way but haven’t put it to words yet.) This person has spent countless hours troubleshooting, flow charting and decision treeing the problems of others who post here. I myself, as well as others over the years, have also done things such as this but not with the tenacity and determination as this particular fellow. What he’s done here, the world outside this forum referrers to as work. Yah, I know, no one here twisted his arm, coerced or beat the guy into submission to do this. He did it with a spirit of giving back to a group that helped him when he needed it. He did so without, as far as I’m aware, receiving any compensation other than an “Atta-Boy” now and then.

This particular poster recently decided to remove himself from this forum for reasons obvious and not so palpable. I commend him for taking a position and sticking with it. It’s reminiscent of something I frequently said to my Sons as they were growing up and, at times, still do. “Say what you’re going to do and do what you say”. It’s really all a guy can expect of another. So, now he’s gone or so it would seem, what with all the requests for his return. It is at this juncture that I need the help in understanding what’s going on.

Let’s, just for the sake of argument, say that it was me that wrote all those helpful posts written by this other guy. Then I stopped posting. Then would come the outpouring of requests for my return. Say then that I continued to stay away from the forum. Some would continue to wish I would return to help with one problem or another or for a word of encouragement. Perhaps one would wish for an annotated photo of some part or system to add clarity to an issue. Or, possibly a tutorial on how to go about fixing a problem that had already been dealt with. But, alas, I’m no longer present to provide these and other helpful things. Yes, I’ve decided to retire from all things Reatta. I’m now more interested fly-tying. And Backgammon. And Ballroom dancing. And beating my meat and other such selfish endeavors. I’ve unplugged from the net and the grid never to be seen or heard from again.

But wait! It’s not me. It’s that other guy… what’s his name… you know. That Ron guy. Yah, Ronnie. Now I remember! Hey, he’s not gone. As a matter of fact, he’s got his own web site. And it’s all about Reattas! And it’s gotta forum. And it’s gotta bunch of tutorials that tell how to do stuff. And if there’s something that needs to be added or deleted or made more clear in them then, as with Wikipedia, it can be changed or modified and made better. And there are pictures with annotations on them. And if you can’t get a problem solved by looking at those, you can post a question in that there forum on his site and someone will probably answer to give you a hand. And that someone just might be that Ronnie guy you were looking for over at the AACA forum. And better still, he’s only a click away. Not gone. Just in a different place. A welcoming place. (unless of course you’re a jerk that no one wants around anyway). And once you find out that to get the issue resolved you need to buy a new part, well… there’s even a store on that site from which you can purchase that part. Literally a one stop information and shopping experience. Imagine that!!!

So… tell me why then, should anyone expect this Ron guy to take valuable time from his life bouncing from one web site to another covering the same ground over and over again when he’s put all that time, effort and money into building his own well organized and interesting repository of Reatta information. If anybody should be going anywhere, I would think it would be the ones seeking the info. Not the other way around. One more point, if I may, the situation shouldn’t be an either / or proposition regarding web site visits. Joining one doesn’t prohibit one from being a member of the other.

So… everybody… right now… head over to the ROJ and, if you haven’t done so already, get a username and a password and get this party started!!! (Irrational exuberance? I think not.)

One more thing… it may just be force of habit to power up the old desk top, laptop or what have you, and log in to the AACA Reatta forum. I know it was for me after posting here for many years. Just for the time being, when you think of clicking the link to AACA, try instead hitting the ROJ site first. Then maybe the urge to ask that Ron guy to “come back” will just fade away.

This is just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to one.

John F.

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I will be joining the ranks of the lurkers here who no longer want to deal with the cloak and dagger tactics that take place here on a daily basis. I no longer want to take part in a forum where you can't tell who your friends are from one day to the next.

Machiner 55,

Obviously you missed the part where he said that it was his last post. He did not say he was leaving. He said he would just be lurking, and he is. I have communicated with Ronnie. I don't know if he will change his mind and decide to post here again or not. It does not really make much difference to me, as I don't personally own a Reatta. I have made him aware that the "cloak and dagger" tactics will not be allowed here.

I don't understand why the users of the Reatta Forum allowed the atmosphere to deteriorate on this forum. If any user sees an inappropriate post, they need to click the "report" button on the lower left side of the post. As a result of the problems on this forum finally being reported, many posts were deleted and one regular Reatta Forum poster was suspended from the AACA Discussion Forums for 30 days. This is his final warning. If the suspended poster violates the AACA Discussion Forum rules after his return, he will be banned from the AACA Discussion Forum permanently. It is really that simple. This posters on this forum will comply with the AACA Discussion Forum Rules or they will be gone. There is no reason for anybody to have to worry about "cloak and dagger" tactics here.

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MCHinson, what was the general problem that caused all this drama? I've read all this and still not clear what was considered cloak and dagger or ban worthy. Unless, it's the frequent vendor battles?

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There were many violations of the Forum Rules, most if not all, could probably best be described as personal attacks. The rules are really simple. MrEarl posted a good common sense explanation of the Forum Rules in the Buick General Forum.

What you describe as "frequent vendor battles" is a thing of the past. Those who want to battle will be banned.

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"Cloak and Dagger" is the wrong terminology. Per Merriam-Webster, "...dealing in or suggestive of melodramatic intrigue and action usually involving secret agents and espionage."

I know of no espionage or secret agents lurking about {unless Ronnie, by his own admission a lurker, is the secret agent! :) }. The thread of which is implied and has been deleted contained accusations and verbal assaults on one's character - and its first post was an inquiry regarding the correct parts to change the struts and shocks on an '89 coupe (I have a copy of the entire thread should anyone need a refresh). One thing lead to another, an assault on one's character was posted and properly defended and addressed on a responding post. Probably a minor reason why Ronnie decided to become a lurker, which is unfortunate.

But there was no cloak and dagger. It was quite transparent.

As for Steve's suspension, accusations were definitely posted. You could properly apply 'cloak and dagger'. Right or wrong, he had a position and he posted it.

I think he was, in part, seeking transparency.

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Bushwack,

I quoted Ronnie's descriptive term. It might not be what I would choose to call it, and you can try to call the use of the term into question if you wish. You cannot, however, get away with incorrectly describing what happend and what was deleted. There was not one thread that was deleted. There were many different posts in many different threads that were deleted for substantial violation of the forum rules. The individual who is currently suspended had been previously suspended for 14 days, he is now is suspended for 30 days, and he will be banned permanently if he chooses to violate the forum rules in the future. This is the way it is going to be. The members of the different factions who want to attack each other on this forum will need to choose another venue for their attacks. It will not be tolerated here.

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harry yarnell,

Look at Ronnie's avatar on the first post on page one of this discussion. It is the Reatta Owners Journal, his website.

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Bushwack,

I quoted Ronnie's descriptive term. It might not be what I would choose to call it, and you can try to call the use of the term into question if you wish. You cannot, however, get away with incorrectly describing what happend and what was deleted. There was not one thread that was deleted. There were many different posts in many different threads that were deleted for substantial violation of the forum rules. The individual who is currently suspended had been previously suspended for 14 days, he is now is suspended for 30 days, and he will be banned permanently if he chooses to violate the forum rules in the future. This is the way it is going to be. The members of the different factions who want to attack each other on this forum will need to choose another venue for their attacks. It will not be tolerated here.

I started a thread about 10 days ago inquiring about shocks/struts for a 1989 coupe and ended up with having to defend myself after an attack on my character (and then Ronnie started this thread).

I can't find the thread. As I started it and did not delete it, it likely was then deleted by a moderator. If not you, who? If posts within the thread didn't meet a moderator's interpretation of forum guidelines, then as stated many times in the past, delete the post(s) but not the thread. There was valuable information in that thread for current and future use.

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I have found the thread that you are referring to. It was actually 7 days ago. I did not delete it and I don't know who did. From just reading it for the first time, I can see why it was deleted. There were multiple posts that were certainly worthy of deletion. I don't see where there is any significant information in that thread that would warrant a moderator taking the time to delete selective posts rather than deleting the entire thread. If you violate the rules, you can expect the entire discussion to disappear. Some times you will be lucky enough to have a moderator take the time to selectively delete posts and sometimes the whole thread will simply be removed. If you think something needs to stay on the forum, complying with the forum rules is the best way to insure it doesn't get deleted.

That thread has nothing at all to do with the recent suspension of a regular Reatta Forum poster. The suspended individual was not involved in that discussion.

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I have found the thread that you are referring to. It was actually 7 days ago. I did not delete it and I don't know who did. From just reading it for the first time, I can see why it was deleted. There were multiple posts that were certainly worthy of deletion. I don't see where there is any significant information in that thread that would warrant a moderator taking the time to delete selective posts rather than deleting the entire thread. If you violate the rules, you can expect the entire discussion to disappear. Some times you will be lucky enough to have a moderator take the time to selectively delete posts and sometimes the whole thread will simply be removed. If you think something needs to stay on the forum, complying with the forum rules is the best way to insure it doesn't get deleted.

That thread has nothing at all to do with the recent suspension of a regular Reatta Forum poster. The suspended individual was not involved in that discussion.

I disagree.

The first posts in the thread clearly requested advice and/or confirmation on the correct shocks, struts and miscellaneous hardware needed for a 1989 MY. If the intention of this forum is, in part, to be a reliable source for all things Reatta, then this information is important; in addition to being the extended arm of the Reatta Division.

Respectfully, as indicated by your sig, you don't own a Reatta. Maybe a moderator who owns a Reatta should be the mod who supervises posts and/or threads in this forum. That mod would have a better understanding of the value of keeping some posts within a thread that have value while deleting others that may not.

Footnote: Nine people thus far have asked me for a copy of the deleted thread and three requested I re-post, which I will not in respect for the mods and the guidelines set forth.

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You may want to read my earlier reply again. I did not delete the discussion that you are complaining about.

Also, I don't quite understand how you can possibly think that someone was suspended from the AACA Discussion Forum for a discussion that he did not participate in.

If you want to post some data about part numbers for Reatta parts, feel free to post that information in a new thread.

There is no need for a moderator to edit a discussion that was deleted for multiple violations of the forum rules to return information that you can easily post in another thread.

I don't have to own a Reatta to fulfill the role that I have to moderate posts on the AACA Discussion Forum. I did once entertain the thoughts of buying a Reatta but the constant arguments on this forum actually influenced my decision not to buy the car. I guess Corvanti is happy that I passed on that car, as he bought it.

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You may want to read my earlier reply again. I did not delete the discussion that you are complaining about.

Also, I don't quite understand how you can possibly think that someone was suspended from the AACA Discussion Forum for a discussion that he did not participate in.

If you want to post some data about part numbers for Reatta parts, feel free to post that information in a new thread.

There is no need for a moderator to edit a discussion that was deleted for multiple violations of the forum rules to return information that you can easily post in another thread.

I don't have to own a Reatta to fulfill the role that I have to moderate posts on the AACA Discussion Forum. I did once entertain the thoughts of buying a Reatta but the constant arguments on this forum actually influenced my decision not to buy the car. I guess Corvanti is happy that I passed on that car, as he bought it.

Re-read my posts. I don't think I said the suspension was related to the thread I am referring to. Steve's suspension has to do with his comments regarding Barney's work on the Reatta database (in a separate thread).

For everything else, we'll have to agree to disagree (even though I'm right ;)).

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Your post appears after a question about what caused Ronnie to start this thread in a manner that appears to indicate that it is related.

I have never named any individual who has been suspended. You seem to want to name names and jump to a conclusion of why someone got suspended.

If you will again read what I posted, it indicates that the individual who was suspended was suspended for multiple violations of the AACA Discussion Forum Rules.

So, again you are apparently jumping to the wrong conclusion or simply trying to slant the conversation to your own particular position.

It would probably be best if you choose to drop this approach. We don't have to agree to disagree, you (and everybody else) only need to agree to follow the AACA Discussion Forum Rules.

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Same old issues that have been going on for a while.

Here are some hot button topics that always cause a rift (In no particular order):

Reatta Database

Production numbers

Polo Green Convertible

BCA/Reatta Div Membership

New/Used Parts pricing

Regional parts pricing/availability.

Stock/modified

400 point judging

Spectator judging

... There are other topics, but I think you get it.

Some people by nature like to get under others skin. You know, question advice, criticize opinions, generally play devils advocate all the time.

I see threads like the above and participation by the known antagonists and I stay away.

I used to try and offer more help than I do today. It's not worth getting in a pee pee contest over it. Now I'm more of a lurker with over 10 years Reatta experience. Good enough for me.

VV

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Guest BJM

The Internet and it's associated anonymity is 99% to blame for this. If we could all meet face to face, we could resolve some issues, leave with a better understanding of each person's position and generally lighten the mood.

I've met Barney and he is a good guy. Everyone on the forum here has been nice to me. I will likely purchase from ALL the vendors. The Reatta convertible goes in the garage for a restoration on Saturday.

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