scuppernongwine Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I thought you guys might enjoy some photos and info on my 1934 Dodge 4x4 truck. It's official name was the K39x4. It was the first four wheel drive that could be shifted from inside the truck. It predates the Marmon Harrington Ford conversions. Dodge, of course, went on to develop some fine vehicles for WW2 which subsequently led to the famous Power Wagon line. These first 4x4 trucks were used in the 1930s by the US Cavalry/US Army. Here are some period photos and some pics of my truck. I'm posting on a few forums hoping to get some more information on the truck. I've seen some vintage pictures and footage of these trucks but have yet to see another one currently in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) Wow that is so cool. Love those suicide doors but with a 4x4 too ??? Very nice, unique and definately rare.So what are your plans for it and whats the story on it , how long have you had it, where did you find it, running or not etc... ?Edit:By the way, we need to see pics of the inside and the engine now Edited February 15, 2013 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 If you need parts or if its for sale, give me a call at 209-613-1199 anytime. emai dave@dodgecityvintage.com Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonhemi Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Great looking truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diamondtbucket Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I believe there are now 7 , yours the 1st with 4x4 795 originally made. Mine is in missouri no bed, 1 in texas, one in levenworth ks, two in northern ca+ 2 beds at museum, one in arkansas. please contact me at wesleybondy@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuppernongwine Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 It appears that my truck is the only known1934 Dodge Brothers k39X4 4x4 survivor. Here is a link to lots of photos of my Dodge....1934 Dodge K39X4 - a set on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 From what I can see the front diff looks vaguely similar to a Ford big truck diff of the same era??I wonder who did the conversions?Manuel in Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuppernongwine Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 These trucks wern't a conversion like the later Marmon Harrington Ford trucks. From everything that I've read, they were built alongside the two wheel drive trucks on the Dodge Brothers assembly line. The front axle and transfer case were made by Timken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest occrj Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Sorry I can't help with information, but had to say that's a great looking truck :cool:RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan at larescorp Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Have you tried contacting Vintage Power Wagons? They deal in all kinds of old military vehicles and plenty of Dodges. I bet they have all kinds of information about this truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It appears that my truck is the only known1934 Dodge Brothers k39X4 4x4 survivor. Here is a link to lots of photos of my Dodge....1934 Dodge K39X4 - a set on FlickrThanks for the pics...Keep us posted on it's progress and your plans for it if you would. Very interesting truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Hi,I just googled "thornton tandem drive" and found lots of info on early all wheel drive trucks eg, Dodges, Chevs and Fords before WW2.Cheers,Manuel in Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuppernongwine Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 It looks like with the birth of first child I'm going not going to have time to restore this truck and I am getting rid of some of my vehicles. It is for sale on ebay right now. Here is the link...Dodge : Other truck | eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwbrew15 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I have acquired this truck and would like to hear from anyone who has one like it. Made by Graham Brothers who at the time along with Dodge Brothers were subsidiaries of Chrysler Corporation. This truck needs new sheet metal which is the same as a 2 wheel drive 1 1/2 ton except for the fenders which mine are good. Need to make the military bed and gas tank. Also need a couple 20" 4 X 4 wheels. E mail me if you can assist with parts. jwbrew15@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I have acquired this truck and would like to hear from anyone who has one like it. Made by Graham Brothers who at the time along with Dodge Brothers were subsidiaries of Chrysler Corporation. This truck needs new sheet metal which is the same as a 2 wheel drive 1 1/2 ton except for the fenders which mine are good. Need to make the military bed and gas tank. Also need a couple 20" 4 X 4 wheels. E mail me if you can assist with parts. jwbrew15@aol.comI believe that Graham Bros stopped building trucks in 1930 when Dodge Bros took over. I have been wrong before when trying to figure out the history of these trucks.Are there some identifying badging or name plates identifying it as a Graham? Got any photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwbrew15 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The hood badge has: DODGE BROTHERSBuilt by Graham Brothers subsidiaries of Chrysler CorporationGraham was building Dodge trucks from the beginning using Dodge power trains.Thanks, John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) 1st-1929 Dodge Truck 2nd-Hood shot of a 33 3/4 ton Dodge Truck 3rd-1932 Dodge truck Truck 4th- Our 34 Dodge pickup Edited November 24, 2022 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Here is a 1931 Dodge fire truck-All Dodge Brothers markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Info for Dodge and G.B. trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stakeside Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Info for Dodge and G.B. trucks.[ATTACH=CONFIG]285750[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]285751[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]285752[/ATTACH]These images are from the book "The Graham Legacy: Graham-Paige To 1932" by M Keller. This would explain the reference to Graham Brothers name on the side badges but the truck was built by Chrysler Corp now. Any reference to Graham was for sales only. That is M Keller's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 [TABLE=width: 490]<tbody>[TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]Segment One: 1918 to 1928 Dodge Brother PickupsAuthor: Don Bunn[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]The title for this segment is somewhat misleading. During the eleven years the original Dodge Brothers Company built trucks they offered only one pickup - a 3/4 ton from 1924 through 1927. This era of Dodge truck history in reality is the story of two companies - the Dodge Brothers Company and the Graham Brothers Company.The Dodge Brothers built the first automobile with their name on it in 1914 as a 1915 model. Previously the brothers had built all the mechanical parts for the first 500,000 Ford Model T cars. The Dodge Brothers were well known and highly respected in the automotive industry because of the work they had done for Ford, Oldsmobile, and other leading auto manufacturers.[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 300]This World War I Dodge Brother's half-ton Army truck had a body built by the Budd Co. It rode on a 114-inch wheelbase chassis and was powered by the famous Dodge Brothers 212 cubic inch 35 horsepower four cylinder engine. (John Zentmyer)[/TD][TD=width: 176]From the very beginning Dodge cars sold exceedingly well. The Dodge brothers positioned their car up market from Ford's Model T. It was bigger, had more features, and cost more. Even though many of their satisfied customers begged them to, the brothers adamantly refused to offer a light-duty truck simply because they couldn't meet the red hot demand for automobiles. Late in World War I when the government asked they readily agreed to supply almost 20,000 half-ton chassis cowls, cargo trucks, light repair trucks, and ambulances.[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]After the war ended, as a 1918 model, the military ambulance was converted to the famous Dodge Brothers half-ton Screenside Commercial Car. The Screenside was built on a beefed up 114-inch wheelbase automobile chassis. It was rated for a maximum payload of 1,000 lbs. (half-ton) and used the auto's 212 cubic inch, 35 horsepower, four cylinder engine and the auto's three speed transmission. Approximately six months after launching the Screenside the half-ton was added to the commercial car line. Think of the panel as an enclosed screenside with double rear cargo doors. These two models were the only trucks the original Dodge Brothers Company built between 1918 and 1928. They were upgraded to a 3/4-ton payload rating (1,500 lbs.) in 1923 and their wheelbases were lengthened to 116-inches in 1924.[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2][TABLE=width: 480]<tbody>[TR][TD]The first civilian Dodge Brothers' Commercial was the famous Screenside introduced in 1917 as a 1918 model. It was built on a 114-inch wheelbase chassis and was powered by the 35 horsepower 212 cubic inch Dodge four cylinder engine. (DaimlerChrysler)[/TD][TD]Dodge Brothers' famous Commercial Panel followed six months later after the Screenside. It had the same wheelbase length, payload, engine, and 3-speed transmission as the Screenside. (DaimlerChrysler)[/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE][/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]Dodge Brothers Company entered into an agreement with the Graham Brothers Company in 1921 whereby the Grahams would manufacture one and 1 1/2-ton trucks from mechanical parts supplied by Dodge and with cabs and bodies manufactured in the Graham's plants. The Grahams were able to offer an extensive range of wheelbases, cabs, and bodies to exactly suit the buyer's specifications. These trucks were sold exclusively through Dodge Brothers dealers.[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]The 1924 3/4-ton Dodge Brothers' pickup was actually built by the Graham Brothers. Very little is known about this truck. I have never seen one nor have I heard that one exists. In four years less than 2,400 were built. It had a load space 71-inches long by 44.5-inches wide and 12.5-inches high. The tailgate was provided with chains to support it in a parallel position. Its cab and body were constructed entirely of wood reinforced with metal straps.[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2][TABLE=width: 480]<tbody>[TR][TD][/TD][TD][/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE](Left) To the best of my knowledge a factory photo of the 1924 3/4-ton pickup does not exist. This picture was taken from the 1924 pickup's sales literature. The open cab was constructed of wood as was the cargo box. A closed cab was offered. Its drivetrain was the same as the Screenside / Panel. (uncredited)(Right) Graham Brothers built a one-ton pickup (shown) and a 1 1/2 ton pickup in 1925. The one ton model BB with a closed cab as shown sold for $1,345. It's wheelbase was 130-inches, it was powered by the 212 cubic inch four cylinder Dodge Brothers engine mated to a 3-speed transmission. Its payload rating was 2,000 lbs. Its pickup body model number was 253 and the closed cab model number was 205. (uncredited)[/TD][/TR][TR][TD=width: 480, colspan: 2]Graham Brothers built a one-ton pickup (shown) and a 1 1/2 ton pickup in 1925. The one ton Model BB with a closed cab as shown sold for $1,345. It's wheelbase was 130-inches, it was powered by the 212 cubic inch four cylinder Dodge Brothers engine mated to a 3-speed transmission. Its payload rating was 2,000 lbs. Its pickup body model number was 253 and the closed cab model number was 205. (Don Bunn)Segment II: 1929 - 1932, Early Chrysler Pickups[/TD][/TR]</tbody>[/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DodgeKCL Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Boy it must of had a devil of a blind spot with that spare sitting up there. I don't think it would be allowed today,military or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillP Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 if you plan to restore it as in the very first picture above, a man in the next town over from me may be able to help with the 5 water-cooled .50s, but they won't be inexpensive. Where to get a brace of monkeys to sit at attention like that (including in the passenger's seat!) for a full 4th of July parade parade is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Your cab looks very much like the one I've just shipped in from the states even down to where the steering column just infringes on the firewall.1934 PE ??I will be replacing all of the lower belt line, shipping is out ofthe question on new parts, good job I'm into making panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Hi, any chance of measuring the opening where the windshield fits , Im having a problem identifying my cab but there's a lot on yours that looks similar even down to the very small cut-out around the column , also mine has the front fixings to the frame close to the 'A' post.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 33 to 1st Series 35 push out windshield-1/2 ton to 3 ton all the same size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baanje Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Hey scuppernongwine, I sold my Plymouth 1934 PE deluxe so, sad enough now I'm loocking for a new projeckt. Are u willing to sell u'r Dodge? Gerhard from Holland Edited November 2, 2022 by Baanje (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc dodge Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 the 1934 Dodge 4x4 truck. K39x4 at top of post is now in good company with my 1938 RF40x4 , I'm looking for TM books , rims ,and parts , if any one have info of other surviving truck email me dc@dctruckparts.com thank you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 On 12/10/2014 at 1:53 PM, countrytravler said: 1st-1933 Dodge Truck 2nd-1932 Dodge Truck 3rd-1929 G.B. Truck 4th- Hood shot of a 33 3/4 ton Dodge Truck Hi Dave, In case anyone comes across this in the future I wanted to make sure these were in the correct order as per your description so I adjusted the photo lineup to reflect it as it looks like you may have had them out of order. Regards Dave 1st-1933 Dodge Truck 2nd-1932 Dodge Truck 3rd-1929 G.B. Truck 4th- Hood shot of a 33 3/4 ton Dodge Truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) On 11/7/2022 at 8:13 AM, dc dodge said: the 1934 Dodge 4x4 truck. K39x4 at top of post is now in good company with my 1938 RF40x4 , I'm looking for TM books , rims ,and parts , if any one have info of other surviving truck email me dc@dctruckparts.com thank you The seller had the bed or did you locate one? Incredible! it looks to be correct and original... Thanks for sharing the update with us. Regards Dave Edited November 24, 2022 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Bitchin truck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 hour ago, 30DodgePanel said: Hi Dave, In case anyone comes across this in the future I wanted to make sure these were in the correct order as per your description so I adjusted the photo lineup to reflect it as it looks like you may have had them out of order. Regards Dave 1st-1933 Dodge Truck 2nd-1932 Dodge Truck 3rd-1929 G.B. Truck 4th- Hood shot of a 33 3/4 ton Dodge Truck I did have them in order when I posted. Don't know what happened. This was 8 years ago when I went to the local show. Thanks for fixing it. Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc dodge Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 2 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said: The seller had the bed or did you locate one? Incredible! it looks to be correct and original... Thanks for sharing the update with us. Regards Dave that bed did come with truck , I'm not 100% sure it the correct , i have a nether bed that look closer to what may have come on the 1934 , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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