1927 and all models prior master parts list

[Guest 1930]

I am having a hard time understanding how to use the 1927 ( all models prior ) Master parts book to the best of my advantage, I am hoping some of you smarter guys will help.

There is no right or wrong answers so anything mentioned ( almost ) will be appreciated.

Trying to understand better the earlier cars.

I have learned that I am not the only one that struggles with figuring out how to understand the book so I think this will be a good topic.

I have scanned and have on disk the entire Book ( thanks to machinest Bill ) and if anyone here would like a copy free of charge except the postage ( if you can afford it, no problem if you do not have it though ) than let me know, I am collecting a list of peoples names and will mail them out, anyone that wants one put your name on the list and send me your address to jhason2@yahoo.com

So far I only have

BillStewert

MikeC5

Texacola

K.B

Tonyaus

35cz8

72caddy

I will post the instructions within the book on how to read/understand it, I will then post a random page or two at a time and ask some questions on what the heck I am missing so that I am able to understand it.

Thanks for the help

Edit: I am working on instead of putting them on a disk and mailing them too instead e-mail the pages, I talked with a guy today that has told me a way to compress it all and send them e-mail, I am looking into this, if you do not see your name on the list than that means that even though you may have sent me a request for a copy I just forgot to add your name so please remind me.

Edited February 9, 2013 by 1930 (see edit history)

[Guest 1930]

Now lets say I want to look up frames to see what the original part numbers were, I look in the index and it tells me frames page 260

Here are all the frames pages

[Guest 1930]

Looking at page 262 I would assume that H 2113 is the earliest type frame but where is it to be found within the listings?

Anyone have any idea what the H stands for?

Look these over, I know some of you guys maybe have not seen this book so maybe you will be as confused as I am

[30DodgePanel]

I'm not one of the smarter guys but I would like to learn and follow along since I struggle with other aspects of the Master Parts lists at times and this may help me understand more.

Can you post a couple of other sections for discussion sake ? From what I'm reading the answer to H maybe found in another area, may have to compare all of what you find.

In your first scan, on the lower half of that page, the wording in the first paragraph of that section on the far left reads " Before starting to order service parts read the previous pages on Arrangement and Instructions for the use of the Master Parts Price List".

Then on the second scan you provided in the upper left paragraph it reads "This list is subdivided into 20 groups corresponding to car units such as frame, spring, engine etc..These groups and the parts within these groups have been are arranged in Alphabetical order" . Could that be where the H is located ?

Can you post scans of those two sections that are underlined ?

[Guest 1930]

I'm not one of the smarter guys but I would like to learn and follow along since I struggle with other aspects of the Master Parts lists at times and this may help me understand more.

Can you post a couple of other sections for discussion sake ? From what I'm reading the answer to H maybe found in another area, may have to compare all of what you find.

In your first scan, on the lower half of that page, the wording in the first paragraph of that section on the far left reads " Before starting to order service parts read the previous pages on Arrangement and Instructions for the use of the Master Parts Price List".

Then on the second scan you provided in the upper left paragraph it reads "This list is subdivided into 20 groups corresponding to car units such as frame, spring, engine etc..These groups and the parts within these groups have been are arranged in Alphabetical order" . Could that be where the H is located ?

Can you post scans of those two sections that are underlined ?

Definitely will do it later, I am sure you could help to figure it out, if you would like the entire book on CD send me your address, it is 800 pages of data so I cannot send it via e-mail unless of course maybe thru something that I have heard of called a zip file but I do not know how to make one of those.

EDIT: I am looking at what you have mentioned and to make a long explanation short it would require posting page after page after page just to show what you mentioned as being possibilities of where the answers may be found, it really takes a person to have the book within their possession to be able to quickly go back and forth to find possible answers.

For instance the 20 groups are what make up the parts book itself

Edited February 9, 2013 by 1930 (see edit history)

[Machinist_Bill]

You had to pick the hardest one didn't you! Besides the fact that the illustrations on pages 262 & 263 are not listed on the "Index to Illustrations" on page VII I cannot find part #H2113 anywhere. Part #2113 is in the "Master Numerical Parts Price List" on page 412 but is prefixed with the code word "Bhago". The price of $39.40 is about right for the frame at that time period.

I firmly believe that the prefixes of letters before the part numbers are photo codes as they are only used on illustrations. This confirms the statement on the bottom of page VIII "Always order service parts from the printed text of the Group Parts List, not from the picture pages or the Numerical Parts List".

Ok, next problem......

Disclaimer: This is pure conjecture and is in no way, or implied, the truth or fact.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Machinist_Bill (see edit history)

[72caddy]

I would tend to agree with the assesment that the 'H' is just for grouping the illustrations. Imagine a graphic person trying to assembly this document from a pile of drawings or illustrations. You would need some since of order and have a engineer review the selections to make sure they were correct.

The first pages also allude to the fact that superceded part numbers may not appear in one of the lists. This is the 9th edition of the parts book so, 2113 may have no need to be mentioned in the 'Frame' category as it no longer applies to current production, but shows up in the other list because it is important to find for ordering replacement parts.

Jason, I will send you instructions on how to create a ZIP file.

Edited February 9, 2013 by 72caddy (see edit history)

[Guest 1930]

You had to pick the hardest one didn't you! Besides the fact that the illustrations on pages 262 & 263 are not listed on the "Index to Illustrations" on page VII I cannot find part #H2113 anywhere. Part #2113 is in the "Master Numerical Parts Price List" on page 412 but is prefixed with the code word "Bhago". The price of $39.40 is about right for the frame at that time period.

I firmly believe that the prefixes of letters before the part numbers are photo codes as they are only used on illustrations. This confirms the statement on the bottom of page VIII "Always order service parts from the printed text of the Group Parts List, not from the picture pages or the Numerical Parts List".

Ok, next problem......

Disclaimer: This is pure conjecture and is in no way, or implied, the truth or fact.

Bill, thanks for the response, when I have had a few minutes to read/absorb it I will have a better response than this one

[Guest 1930]

I would gtend to agree with the assesment that the 'H' is just for grouping the illustrations. Imagine a grpahic person trying to assembly this document from a pile of drawings or illustrations. You would need some since of order and have a engineer review the selections to make sure they were correct.

The first pages also allude to the fact that superceded part numbers may not appear in one of the lists. This is the 9th edition of the parts book so, 2113 may have no need to be mentioned in the 'Frame' category as it no longer applies to current production, but shows up in the other list because it is important to find for ordering replacement parts.

Jason, I will send you instructions on how to create a ZIP file.

Same as above, thanks

[R.White]

I was also confused by the 'H' prefix that Bill found in the price list. For 'frame' I just went on to the diagram on page 261 where I found the frame numbers. There may have been earlier part numbers for the frame but I don't think they show up in this book.

When I want to find the part number for something for my '26 car I go to the index to find the page number then figure out what I need from the nearest illustration, I then go back a page or two where a description is to be found in the top left corner. There are a series of columns numbered 1-12 (I think). The original part number (as per illustration) is the one used in the first column. By following the dotted line a different part number may appear in one of the columns. This number supercedes the original number as it indicates that a change to the part was made. Brief details of the change and when it occured can be found at the top of the column. Sometimes a further change occured and the number changes again - it can be found by continuing further along the same line to it's position in another column.

If I have not been using the book properly I expect someone will correct me.

Ray

[Guest 1930]

I have found a site to download the disk and I am finally able to send them via an e-mail that you will have to open and then click on a link that will show you all of the images.

I have found it takes more than an hour for me to download them onto a disk, thats 1 hour times how many people would like a copy, that is too much time, this will be an easier way for me.

What you do with them after that is your choice, I would suggest downloading them, they are hard to read just from the site itself because the print is small but once downloaded you can print them out and they appear just fine, I have already tried it with a page.

I would also suggest downloading them because I do not like sites like drop box on my computer, I plan to erase all of drop boxs existence from my comp within a short period of time, I think once my account is closed anyway than most likely the images will be lost forever. Sorta like photobucket.

If you have a dial-up connection than you will have to maybe go to kinkos or such and download it there because of the size of the file, just a guess.

I have already mailed the links to

35cz8

72caddy

tex

Keith Black

Ron Lawson

Mike

I need Bill Stewert and TonyAys to send me an e-mail at jhason2@yahoo.com so I can e-mail you the link.

I am pretty much done with this after I mail out these last two, I need to get back to the topic of this discussion

Edited February 10, 2013 by 1930 (see edit history)

[Guest 1930]

I was under the impression that the 1927 9th edition Master parts book covered all parts all models prior to the publication date, I was incorrect. Whilst it may cover all models it does not cover in full all parts. This is why the frame information does not show within the text pages.

The H is as you guys guessed a grouping identification for in house use nothing more. Question answered, thanks guys

[Machinist_Bill]

How did you find this info Jason? I was under the same impression you were!

[Guest 1930]

How did you find this info Jason? I was under the same impression you were!

RAH was kind enough to explain it to me, there prob. is no one else alive that knows more about early D.B cars