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That is correct. I own both a GS, and a non-GS optioned 65 Riv. Both cars have the Custom Interior option, and both cars have the Lower Rocker Mouldings.

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Therefore: A 1965 Gran Sport with the standard interior would not have the rocker moldings.

The two are synonymous- custom interior / rocker panel moldings - Gran Sport or not.

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Whoaa..where are you guys getting this info?! It is correct the rocker panel moldings were included with the custom interior option but they were also available as a separate option "W 5 Rocker Panel Moldings-optional with trims 601-604-608-609 (included with extra cost trim)" Therefore, every custom trim optioned car was built with rocker panel moldings but it was also possible to order the rocker panel moldings on standard trim cars. I have owned several standard trim cars with rocker panel moldings, both GS and non-GS cars.

If you look closely at the website for which a link was provided you will notice the rocker panel moldings are listed as a separate option and even priced, but no option code is listed. This is an omission. You will also notice a pic of a `64 cast aluminum wheel cover described as the `65 "chrome wheel". If it`s on the internet it must be true...lots of bad information out there!

Tom Mooney

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Really? It's like I owe you something. Sorry, but the reality is I owe no one anything. My father and I had the insight to collect early Riviera parts in the 60's and 70's when they were plentiful. In going through my father's and my stuff, I come across the parts and make them available to others.

I prefer selling parts and cars on eBay. I'm just a part time seller and usually only sell Nova and Riviera parts around New Years. It's a real hassle; I've spend a good week full time locating parts, photographing the parts, writing descriptions, and worst of all the 3 days packing and shipping the parts.

Don't give me that, "Ah, poor Russ, he complains all the way to the bank." You are not obligated to purchase any of my parts, nor am I obligated to sell any parts. I am not a dealer. I am not a business. Just trying to unload too much stuff. :(

I never implied that you or anyone else owned me anything. My point is finding a headlight motor is like dealing in the black market. People hoard them and communication is not friendly. There are a few folks in the this thread who could use help and instead its see my Ebay auction or See the Riview. It would be nice if people just offered assistance. They come with a price, I got that, I have no problem with making money off the deal. But I was ready to buy and instead I was faced with games. I have alot more work to do to the car before I'm willing to play games to get a part.

I expected being in a forum like this that people would see folks like me saying I need a part and someone answering with "I have one, send me a message/call me/ email me and we can work something out' Instead its when I put it on Ebay you can bid on it, or I have two but I dont talk 'business' on the forum. Not an entirely friendly approach and its only the headlight motors that I see this.

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I never implied that you or anyone else owned me anything. My point is finding a headlight motor is like dealing in the black market. People hoard them and communication is not friendly. There are a few folks in the this thread who could use help and instead its see my Ebay auction or See the Riview. It would be nice if people just offered assistance. They come with a price, I got that, I have no problem with making money off the deal. But I was ready to buy and instead I was faced with games. I have alot more work to do to the car before I'm willing to play games to get a part.

I expected being in a forum like this that people would see folks like me saying I need a part and someone answering with "I have one, send me a message/call me/ email me and we can work something out' Instead its when I put it on Ebay you can bid on it, or I have two but I dont talk 'business' on the forum. Not an entirely friendly approach and its only the headlight motors that I see this.

Hey man there aint no secret fnn handshake to be a part of this forum , just a bunch of very enthusiastic, generous , like minded folks from all over the world who like old cars. If you need a part , get in line , get out your wallet and pony up , or shut up. This isn't Disney World....restoring this old iron isn't cheap or easy ....especially a 1st gen Riv...probably one of the most expensive 60's cars to restore!!!! Nobody is HOARDING a specific part to make your life miserable ....its called making a buck and man I am all for that...I have an old headlight motor I will sell you....only have one ...not hoarding.... just to make you happy.....350.00 shipped to your door...and there is something called respect for the REAL RIVIERA EXPERTS who have tried to help you....I am not one of them but I respect all they HAVE done for me and my restoration over the YEARS....THANKS GUYS .... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE... P>S> ALINI SEARCH C LIST endlessly like alot of us have for that JUST listed old riviera part..............it happens all the time ...all you have to do is spend 10 hours a week doing it ......or go PLEDGE the wood on your PT

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^^^ Good stuff right there. I agree with Pyntre 100 %. This guy with the motors is trying to get as much as he can for them. I don't blame him. They sell for great cash. There is a hell of a demand. We all looked at the auction. Frankly I thought that first one went low. He'll get more for the rest. Jolly John sell his over priced wears all over this site. He hasn't been called out. I guess because he doesn't point you to a e-bay listing he's alright.

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I am not against anyone making money, I have a problem with how hard it is for people to extend a offer to get one.

Pyntyre, with the crap youve given me there is no way in hell I would buy anything from you. You talk about how the Real Riviera Experts try to help, you obviously arent on because you have never helped you do nothing but bash me, trying to call out my other cars as if they have any part of the conversation. You have one for sale and have seen people want one, but this finally gets you to offer it up. Thats a perfect example of what Im talking about. I'm not worried about spending the money, I'm talking about how headlight motors are not a friendly topic

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I am not against anyone making money, I have a problem with how hard it is for people to extend a offer to get one.

Pyntyre, with the crap youve given me there is no way in hell I would buy anything from you. You talk about how the Real Riviera Experts try to help, you obviously arent on because you have never helped you do nothing but bash me, trying to call out my other cars as if they have any part of the conversation. You have one for sale and have seen people want one, but this finally gets you to offer it up. Thats a perfect example of what Im talking about. I'm not worried about spending the money, I'm talking about how headlight motors are not a friendly topic

No ... you misunderstand me ... I am willing to take the headlight motor OFF my car to sell TO YOU ...and only YOU , it has never been for sale before ...but to show my compasion for a whiner.... I thought I would offer it up ...I am pretty sure its the last one in the UNIVERSE.....and when you need that next hard to find 65 Riv part .... trust me I will be there to help you out of your DIRE predicament.....So 350.00 it is and I will gladly go unbolt it tonight ... I ship UPS insured...HEY ROB ...HOW ARE THE QUALITY OF MY PARTS.....................................................................................I wish there was a filter for real car people on these forums

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The quality of your parts are among the best I've bought. I'm not sure where you found some of those parts, but it looks like they came from a car barely used. Are you done cleaning out the garage? :D

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I look far and wide for those parts ....There still are lots of these cars that are being dragged from long slumbers in small town America...You just have to be first one to the punch !!!!!! I still have lots of super nice stuff ... I sell it as I need some extra mad money ... the first Riv I bought I parted out for twice what I payed for it. I hate to be a jag on this forum but nobody EVER gave me anything and I can't , , , Can NOT ... stand whiney ,no it all people that think they are owed something by a huge populous of complete strangers. I look forward to the 700 horse 401 nailhead that our newfound leader is having built by a bunch of teenagers... Move over Mr Telesco ...Move over Mr Martin...............Give me a FNN break !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alini , 350.00 shipped , or are you buying fuzzy floormats for the camaro

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OK Russ: Your father use to tell me all the time how the two of you use to go to pick yur part in Hayward in the mid 80's and come home with what's now a real score. I guess it was pretty good score then too. Many times he's bring up the purse hook. He'd ask me if I knew what it was and then told me how many he had. He really loved those Rivs. Had my father dragged me to some wrecking yard when I was a youut looking for riviera cars and parts who knows what kind of First-Gen Riv things would have happened?? As it stands I have previously owned about 15 of them including the ones I sold and knocked in the head. BTW, I got the pair of wire caps with the broken spinner. I guess I'll need a spinner...or 2...or 3. Mitch

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OK Russ: Your father use to tell me all the time how the two of you use to go to pick yur part in Hayward in the mid 80's and come home with what's now a real score. I guess it was pretty good score then too. Many times he's bring up the purse hook. He'd ask me if I knew what it was and then told me how many he had. He really loved those Rivs. Had my father dragged me to some wrecking yard when I was a youut looking for riviera cars and parts who knows what kind of First-Gen Riv things would have happened?? As it stands I have previously owned about 15 of them including the ones I sold and knocked in the head. BTW, I got the pair of wire caps with the broken spinner. I guess I'll need a spinner...or 2...or 3. Mitch

Interesting enough, with all the boxes of Riviera stuff I've gone through, I haven't found the purse hooks. The Pick Your Part junkyard in Hayward has been empty for a year or two now. No cars there. I do remember around 1970 when we were looking for a 425 for my father's '65, which had 120K, the junkyards by Third Street in San Francisco were crushing '63-'65 Rivieras left and right. Evidently, many owners liked the early Rivieras, since there are still plenty left. Sorta' like Novas or '65 Mustangs. Smart people, those Riviera owners. :D

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Wow, hard to believe they were crushing 5-7 year old Riv's in 1970.

Back in the sixties, cars didn't last as long as they do today. In 1966, my friend's '52 chevy coupe with the 216 was OLD. Today, a 14 year old car is nothing. With todays cars operating on superior engine oils with the leaner fuel injection, 200K with no problems is common. Some cars can go 300K. And great driveability, reliability, safety, and comfort, too.

A 1965 Buick, for example, required 100 octane gas, had an old fashioned carburator, no over drive or lockup transmission, and used brute power instead of technology. And got 10-12 MPG. At 120K, my father's '65 Riviera had ticking lifters, the starter drive would spin out when starting, and the engine was leaking oil badly. Not to mention the timing gear cover spewing coolant into the crankcase. The transmission had already been replaced and the rear end had been howling, so it was replaced. And then there was the many problems my father had with the many headlight motors he replaced.

Today car owners wouldn't put up with that and I think partly through imported auto competition, better lubricants, electronic controls for the engine, ABS braking, traction control, airbags and other safety items. cars of today are vastly superior to the older models.

That's why 1965 Rivieras were junked in 1970.

---------There is nothing like a newer car.

--------There is nothing neater than an older car. :D

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OK Russ: Got the wire caps today, thanks. I have already disassembled and cleaned them and have replaced a few components with some other similar caps from my stash. I now have two really nice caps and lots of parts left over. Those parts came at the exact right time for me.

I wasn't familiar with junk yards in San Francisco in the early 70's so I can't comment to what I saw. I can only theorize. My first year in the car business was 1970 and in New Jersey. I remember a white 67 Riv coming in on trade at the place I worked for. The boss appraised it at $1350. and I thought that if they wholesaled it perhaps I could get it. Clean and lo miles. They didn't make the deal but that $1350. stuck in my mind. I wound up getting an edgy 63 for $400 and I tried to wholesale it and finally got $375. From that info I'm thinking that in 1970-ish first Gen-Rivs were between $300-$1500 retail, actually given the dollar value that was quite a big spread in the values.

In 1970 a 7 year old car was about at the end of it's first cycle and I could see a First-Gen Riv that was damaged hitting bone yards then. Several things to factor in here. The 63 had a Dynaflow and that was a more expensive repair than a TH-400 and that might have knocked a few out of the air. The rust belt was dealing with the Tin Worm armies and that might have come to play. The last major factor I can think of that got these of the roads was a yearly state vehicle inspection. This would cover items like the ball joints, brakes and exhaust,. As restorers, these items now don't seem to be overwhelming but then, a repair on these cars with new parts and labor could easily discourage an owner form doing the said repair, leading to a quick boot down the food chain.

I arrived in Oakland in 1974 and started hitting the Hayward yards in about 75-76....hard. Prices on the old cars and parts were actually rising then. Inflation was ramped and new cars were climbing in price on many occasions. I think that the first-Gen Rivs also started to have a resurgence in popularity and were somewhat saved from destruction.

I was in extreme shock when I saw mid-60's cars cleaner than the one I gave up in New Jersey strewn all over wrecking yards like it was nothing. Mitch

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Oh man, at those prices it looks like I'll never have my headlights complete lol

Geez, do they make them with gold gears on the inside or what?

David

'65 Riviera, Deluxe, A/C

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I have two complete ready to go on the shelf but I do NOT use the forum to promote my hobby/business . Thank You ,

Do you happen to have any support brackets. My friend lives in san diego, just moved there from mass a couple of years ago. You may have seen his black 65 riv gs with white interior floating around. He could pick it up for me so you wouldnt have to deal with shipping.

Thanks

Herb

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At these kinds of prices, logic should tell you it's time to reproduce them yourself and cash in. As of this post it's at $730 with two plus days to go. Wonder where it will top out?

Ed

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When i got my riv it didnt come with a H/L motor. I was able to find one, my question is how to i attach the motor to the arms? Are they just screwd on?

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OK Riviera People: I'm 0 for 6 on headlight motors and to be honest with you it's not really that important. I think I saw only a hand full of First-Gen Rivs at shows I've attended in the last year or two but I can't recall seeing anything on the road in that same period of time.

As far as production figures the 65 Riv was a shade over 30,000 units. The survival rate might be, and this is just a wild guess....12.5%. This would mean that 87.5% of all 65 Rivs got the squish. How many motors do you think are out there anyway? Mitch

Oh, maybe I would do more retirement planning in order to purchase a busted up old clam, motor haha.

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it would be cheaper to get one of those small circus monkeys to pull on the arms-what 5 pounds of peanuts a week-as long as he didnt sh## on everything.just my 2cnts.happy rivin t.nugent roa 12969...

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it would be cheaper to get one of those small circus monkeys to pull on the arms-what 5 pounds of peanuts a week-as long as he didnt sh## on everything.just my 2cnts.happy rivin t.nugent roa 12969...

Its really time to ditch this antique motor assembly.... ALL of us should figure the linear actuator angle out as a retrofit for the 65's that need a new motor or dont even have one....I want to find a 3D scanner and at least get the exact dimensions of the pivot point heights and locations related to the mounting locations of the original motor on the front core support . With that, fabbing up a rotating arm like whats on the original motor and having an actuator make it move cant be that hard...We have all seen the youtube video of the white 65 with the actuator...I have tried and tried and tried to get the gentlman to contact me about his setup but to no avail....too bad!!! I have read so many posts here from some seriously intellegent ,engineering kinda minded folks ... who wants to work on this ?????????

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