Can anyone identify this chasis?

[Guest Catskill123]

Can any one identify this chasis? It appears to be early with gas lights. Unusual rear end which looks like a foot ball tilted backwards for a field goal kick. i'm sorry for my poor description of chasis

Please read through, many pictures and opinions added throughout. Thanks

Edited December 17, 2012 by Catskill123 (see edit history)

[1937hd45]

That is something that should be saved. It may have had a transmission mounted to the center section based on the size of the pinion opening. Bob

[West Peterson]

I'm guessing it's something in the neighborhood of Lozier or Locomobile, in the 1912 time period.

[Lozierman]

Definitely NOT a Lozier.

[1937hd45]

Someone in England has an aeroplane engine that is looking to build a hillclimb car with that chassis. Bob

[sambarn]

It's not a model 32 Marmon but appears to have a rear transaxle like the Marmon. Is there a better shot of the fender lines from the side? maybe that would help. It reminds me of a Franklin frame I was looking at recently.

[carlisle1926]

Could be an early Cadillac? I know Cadillac had springs in the rear similar to that.

[1937hd45]

I thought Cadillac too, but the odd rear crossmember isn't there on this 1913. Bob

[Friartuck]

The friction rear shocks, inner and outer rear brakes, and bead/shape on the front fender should be clues.

[Guest Al Brass]

Looks to have been quite an expensive car and I would be thinking somewhere in the '13 to '15 range. It might have had the gearbox on the rear axel too.

Al

[Dandy Dave]

Ol Dandy Dave is dumbfouded also. Early, yes. I reconize the Hartford friction shocks. Can you tell if it was right hand drive? Look to see where the steering box was mounted. The exhaust also looks like it had two inlets leading me to believe it was a large 4, or more likley, a 6 cylinder motor. How about an Olds Limited??? Dandy Dave!

Edited November 20, 2012 by Dandy Dave (see edit history)

[West Peterson]

The steering knuckle is also kind of unique.

[Woodfiddler]

With a rear axle that massive, could it be a truck chassis?

Chuck

[Guest cben09]

Platform spring says quality and expensiv,,

Manifold says 4 cylender,,,40-50 Hp maybee,,size of a Packard 30 or larger,,

The 2 port manifold says 4 cyl,,the jugs would have been cast in pairs,,

Cross frame brackets to rear of manifold say it had separate transmission on those brackets,,,

The lamp irons are huge,,fenders are early,,

Full floating axle,,,again hi quality,,

Can someone see if those are ''Contental'' clincher rims??

My guess on year,,,07--10

All for now,,Ben

Edited November 20, 2012 by cben09 (see edit history)

[Dandy Dave]

With a rear axle that massive, could it be a truck chassis?

Chuck

I don't think so as a truck frame of this era would have been straight instead of arched in the back.

[Guest Catskill123]

jjj

[Guest Catskill123]

Just learned how to reply, sorry. I'm headed out to the farm tomorrow and will take some better pictures.

[Dandy Dave]

Looking at your Forum name, Is this somewhere in the Catskill mountians? Dandy Dave!

[Guest Catskill123]

Looking at your Forum name, Is this somewhere in the Catskill mountians? Dandy Dave!

I live in Catskill, NY next to Hudson River.

[Guest Catskill123]

Its right hand drive.

[Guest Catskill123]

Front fender with unusual curve and front attachment. vehicle is right hand drive. How common was right hand drive back then?

[Guest cben09]

I remember seeing a T head Marmon up that way,,on a summer trip from Boston,,I was driving

a 1929 Packard,,Seems to me around Glenns Falls maybee,,This in around 1953,,,The Duzy was over in Carthage at Island Paper co,, along with a 4cyl Indian,,I was in High school,,,Cheers,,Ben

[Dandy Dave]

I live in Catskill, NY next to Hudson River.

Your not all that far from me. I'm on the other side of the Creek... Need help rescuing this old Chassies? It is too good to just leave there to rot. Dandy Dave!

[JV Puleo]

RHD was very common. Ford and REO were the first large volume manufacturers to adopt LHD, in 1908 for Ford and (I think) 1909 or 10 for REO. Others did also, albeit gradually with the last holdouts being the big expensive cars that were expected to have paid drivers in any case. Rolls Royce of America used RHD from its inception in 1922 up to about late 1925 or early 1926 (The dates are known but I don't have them at hand).

I think that chassis is ca. 1906-1910 and was for a big, expensive car.

[1937hd45]

That chassis should be inside, by the looks of it it hasn't been in that spot all that long, someone tried to save it then put it back outside. Bob

[Woodfiddler]

In the views of the front, the first crossmember has a hole/bushing for the crank. The bracket next to the crank bushing, is that a front license plate mounting bracket? I'm having fun looking at old cars, and that's what it's all about, right!! :-)

Chuck

[Guest Catskill123]

These are two more front shots. Hope to recover frame thise week. Could not find any sn:s etc yet.

[Guest Catskill123]

Here is two more shots or rear.

[Guest Catskill123]

Yes, its a license plate bracket.

Edited December 1, 2012 by Catskill123 (see edit history)

[mikewest]

I would like to know what the wheelbase is ? Measure from center to center on the axles. Mike

[1937hd45]

The front spindles and head light brackets are so unique they should help ID the chassis. I'd like to know wht that rear crossmenker had that curver cast piece on the right side, another good ID clue. Bob

[Dandy Dave]

Glad to hear that you are going to recover it. I picked a Stoddard Dayton chassies off of a Local farm back around 1983. It was in about the same condition but still had some of brass parts intact and sat in that same spot since at least 1939 or earlier. The motor, radiator, and transmission was scraped by a neighbor for the war effort in 1939. It was common at that time for the heavy parts to be taken for scrap and the chassies to be left behind. Sold it years ago because I could not locate an engine or transmission to put it back together. I can tell you that it is not a Stoddard Dayton. The Hartford Shocks were common on these early cars. The Stoddard Dayton Chassies also had them as many heavy early cars did. Dandy Dave!

[Guest Catskill123]

Tire was white wall, could not find a hole for air stem in wood fallow, one ring slips into other of same width. I'll get size when I measure wheel base.

[Dandy Dave]

That looks like a one piece Clincher type tire rim. Dandy Dave!

[Guest Catskill123]

Right foot pedel, i beleive is brake. Wire or rod went back to round cast peice which then spans out to both drums. I beleive second picture is for hand brake which is missing rod that went across or back to that rear rod with cast round peice. allowing both inside and outside brakes to work. frame has a lot of curves in it. Both up and down and sideways. Ive been searching pictures for front and rear ends with righthand drive.

[Guest Catskill123]

Front left pinion / steering

[Guest Catskill123]

I can say one thing for sure. I take some bad pictures ! No need to emphasis this point Ha Ha.

[Seldenguy]

Catskill, Don't kick yourself to hard about the pix, I think they are wonderful. Plus there are so many of them. Surprising no one has given a clue to identity. The front wheel gear was for the speedometer drive. The white tires you spoke of were probably gray when new. Definitely a high level auto appearing to be a 125 or plus wheelbase. The platform springing on the rear end is also indicative of a high end auto. The word will get out what it is! Thanks for the interesting post. --Bob

[Woodfiddler]

Ok guys - keep in mind, that I'm new at this - I can search no more this week - I believe the most definitive trait is the rear suspension. It can have lots of the front characteristics, but if the rear cross-spring/suspension is not there - then it's not that make, period. So...

Based on the wizards of Carlisle1936 and 1937hd45, you have to focus on Cadillac. (Can somebody tell me another manufacturer that used that rear-style suspension?) I tried to look elsewhere at Oldsmobile, Rambler, Overland, Hudson, and Chalmers / Chalmers-Detroit but eliminated them because of the rear-spring / suspension. So if you look thru the 1909 - 1912 Cadillac, there are many strengths and traits that put this frame in that timeframe.

Chuck

[oldcarfudd]

Just to further confuse the issue - sometimes that transverse rear spring was an aftermarket add-on. I found a 1906 Buick that needed restoring, that had such a spring. It didn't come that way from the factory.

Gil Fitzhugh, Morristown, NJ