grhouse Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I've found a couple of old spoke wheels with this size tire on them. Does anyone have an idea what they might have original fit? They are on what looks like the back half of a wagon bed now. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyshack Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Without a picture it is pretty hard to confirm. Wire spoke or wood spoke? Ford had both. The 440/450, 21" size fit late Model T's, and early Model A's for sure. They were also converted to wagon use fairly easily. I am sure other manufacturers used this size also, but Ford was probably the most common at the time.Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhouse Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 These are wire spokes. Thanks for your rapid reply. Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFranklin Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Post a photo, a lot of cars have used that tire size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhouse Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 I'll post a few pictures as soon as I can get over there. They are out in back of a farmer's house that I bought an old 35 Allis Chambers Model WC tractor from. He asked if I could get them off of the axle so I need to get back over there with some PB Blaster. Thanks for your reply! Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhouse Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 OK, I have some pictures and the close-up clearly shows them to be off a Ford but I have no idea of the model. Does anyone have an idea?Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty12 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 From what I can tell, they look like early 1928 Model A which people refer to as "AR". The later 1928s have a larger diameter center area and these look to be smaller from the photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) The "AR"hub has the same diameter as the later 28-29. The difference is in the width inside the hub where it covers the sides of the drum, 1" on the AR, 1-1/4 " on the later. This is because the AR didn't have a separate emergency brake shoe. I think these are the 26-27 T wire wheels which had a smaller hubcap than the Model A. Edited April 21, 2012 by Dave Mellor NJ (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I agree with you Dave, 1 inch on the "AR" and 1 1/4 on later 1928-29 Ford wheels. The one in question is an A wheel, the 26-27 T doesn't have the reenforcement ribs between the lug holes, the T wires also have a smaller bolt pattern. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GavRod Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 I found this thread while searching google for these tyres for my 1929 Ford Model A Phaeton project. The 440/450 x21" tyre is the same but agree with the 2 posts above as in my 1929 wheels have a larger hub than whats in these pictures. I also have a set of 19" 1928 Model A wheels that have the smaller hub diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhouse Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 Thanks everybody for your information. The man who owns these wants to sell them and I'd like to determine a fair price for both of us. Does anyone have any idea as to the possible value two wheels like this? The only difference between the two is that the other one is missing the grease cap with the Ford script on it.Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHinson Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 grhouse,From the photos I would venture a guess that they are too badly pitted for anybody to want to use them for a restoration. They are usable for rolling a chassis around a garage, or they are usable for "yard art". The value is limited. I bought a bunch of wheels in much better condition for about $50 or $60 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I found this thread while searching google for these tyres for my 1929 Ford Model A Phaeton project. The 440/450 x21" tyre is the same but agree with the 2 posts above as in my 1929 wheels have a larger hub than whats in these pictures. I also have a set of 19" 1928 Model A wheels that have the smaller hub diameter.19" was on 30-31 not 28. The smaller hub diameter, as said earlier in from a Model T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyshack Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I have both (T&A) 21" rims and the pictured one is a 28/29 Model A style. The model T rim is a 9" hub and the model A has a 10-1/2" hub. There are some very rare 9", late '27, model T wheels that have larger hubcap openings. This topic was thrashed around on the Ford forums in the past. They actually used the same hubcap as the early 1928, AR 10-1/2" wheel. The bolt circle diameter will be 5" on a T and 5-1/2" on an A, I believe.Good luck, buy low based on condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhouse Posted May 10, 2012 Author Share Posted May 10, 2012 Well, again I thank everyone for your input and vast knowledge. Although there is some disagreement, I think that is why we all join these groups; so that we can share our knowledge and generally increase it in open discussion.I think I'll offer him $80 for the pair as shop decorations and get the rust flakes off and treat them to keep additional rust from growing. I think that $80 will be a fair price for both of us.Thanks again!Gene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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