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Looking great. Could you post a video and/or audio clip of the 4 note horns? I have a set that needs to be rebuilt, but have never actually heard how a properly working set sounds.

Rob.

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Here you go, Rob. The small horns may need a little adjustment, they sound a bit off. They get drowned out when I hook up their big brothers!!!

I probably should've closed the hood, sounds a little meaner when its reverberating around that metal mass!

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Interesting Tom but not surprising. My '65 has a similar situation as you already know and there are possible reasons for this. I remember the old days when I was selling NOS Buick stuff. There were times when I'd have identical parts in packaging next to each other and find differences such as stampings, color changes and the like. GM was and is a huge concern and as I remember insiders telling me, they often, if not always, had more than one vendor for parts. Imagine a plant burning down and GM not being able to produce cars ? I approach this emblem placement with much curiousity and wonder what the production date was for phoemsen's car. Mine was built the 1st week of June (O6A) and could it be possibe ? that with such a low production of GS models being built in comparison to the regular production Rivieras being built, that they may have run out of GS stamped fenders and retrofitted remaining parts rather than call for a new batch ? Please consider that by June, those producing for GM were already stamping '66 fenders ? Just a thought. Looking at my car, I have a difficult time believing that my left front fender had ever been changed and if you remember, we didn't see a replacement tag on mine either. GM did weird things and made interesting decisions. I had a '64 Wildcat loaded with EVERY option and often wondered why it wasn't equipped with the vacumn door locks like the Electra had. I brought this up to a GM insider named Jim Campbell and he told me it was a decision made because Fisher body didn't have adequate room to store the additional door panels. Go figure.

Often, when the badges are misplaced, one will find a metal part tag with the GM numbers stamped on it which indicates a replacement fender. Not so in your case. I have not seen a trend in badge placement so different from normal.

Tom Mooney

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One more thought on the emblem/badge placement. The retrofit on the line could be a strong possibility. If I was a worker there with no GS fender to compare with (side by side) I'd probably think that lining it up to sit the same as the passenger side with the most forward finished edge of the emblem equal distance back from the wheel opening molding.

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Hi Rich

There was no fender which was specifically stamped as a GS fender...at least according to the parts books. The emblems were most likely installed using a template on the assembly line. This makes sense from a production standpoint. Why create a unique stamping for an option which resulted in less than 10% of production. Also, Buick changed the emblems and placement after just one month of production. Create another die for stamping? Probably not. Considering the previous body work on your car and the questionable quality (no Riviera script on the pass side front fender...was this a rare factory exception???) I would guess the script was placed in the wrong location on a replacement fender, maybe a used fender, maybe NOS.

Tom

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Hi Tom, Your points make perfect sense and I must be getting old because I forgot that there was only 1 part number in the book for a replacement fender as you mention. To be perfectly honest, the emblem placement on my driver's side fender has had me thinking since I took possession of this car. Anything is possible including a misplaced template at the time of production. There have been many times in my job where a needed tool or template was missing that facilitated some creative thinking. Again, anything is possible. As for my passenger fender where the Riviera emblem is missing ? I remember trying to mount/dismount that "Riviera" emblem with the fender on the car. Not impossible but very difficult to the big hands of an adult trying to get the appropriate tool inside the fender from the door jamb area to remove those pal nuts. I suspect that someone took the easy way out when applying that light skim of filler to my passenger fender, filling the mounting holes rather than going back and doing the right thing. Every profession has their shortcut experts and I'm sure you have seen as many in your job as I have in mine. Rich<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

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It isn`t a stretch to imagine the same guy who decided to skip installation of the Riviera script also misplaced the driver`s side GS emblem. At the point of manufacture I would hope the quality control personnel would catch such a grossly misplaced emblem, especially in June!

Tom

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I don't think anyone missed the Riviera emblem except for the body shop that decided not to try and install it. I'm sure the Riviera script was there when it left the factory...but only the phantom knows for sure about the Gran Sport emblem...

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OK Riviera People: I'm guessing that the fenders on this car were replaced at one time or another. I think that the people in body shops just get sloppy and there's nothing new under the sun about that. Peter, there probably are people on the forum who could get you an accurate template. I do have some good news to share on a similar topic.

When I put my car together for the first time I used barrel clips. They look like little cylinders with a flange on the end and push through the hole where the emblem mounts. This way the emblems can be pushed on or pried off. Much better.

Home Depot has a set of ratcheting wrenches in their Husky line. The difference is that the ratcheting part can be set at an angle so....if one prefers to use the speed nuts, installation is much easier. Your car looks good.

Mitch

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Good observation. I also went back and looked at the passenger fender on Rich's car. From what I can tell, there is no Riviera badge on that fender, just the Gran Sport badge. What are the FB numbers on these two cars? Are they close enough together to indicate that there might have been a rookie on the line that day?

Ed

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They are really close if not spot on...

Is the badge placement on Rich's barn find Gran Sport similar to mine?

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The "S" in Sport is directly below the "start of the "R" ???

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The rh or passenger fender on my car had a skimmer of bondo right where the "Riviera" emblem would go. My guess is that whomever did the body work took the easy way out as those little nuts are hard to attach with the fender on the car...

Good observation. I also went back and looked at the passenger fender on Rich's car. From what I can tell, there is no Riviera badge on that fender, just the Gran Sport badge. What are the FB numbers on these two cars? Are they close enough together to indicate that there might have been a rookie on the line that day?

Ed

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