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1936 Chrysler coachwork by Carlton Carriage Ltd. London

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Hello, I'm new in the foro, my name is Mario Domínguez, from Gran Canaria, Canary Islands, Spain.

I own a 1936 Chrysler 3 position Drophead Coupe, coachwork by the Carlton Carriage Ltd in London. UK.

The body of the car is finished in aluminium, except the wings and bonnet.

I'm very interesting in obtain any information about this car, and would apreciate any information that any member can post.

The car has a plaque of the body builder on each door, and also another small plaque of the builder riveted to the firewall.

Another rarity, is that the car is badged from new as a Chrysler, but the chassis and power train match a Plymouth P2 Deluxe, and not a 1936 Chrysler. The engine is a P2 code, and the chassis number is QD7189-2676628. I don't know the meaning of the numbers QD7189, but the second sequence of numbers 2676628 match a Plymouth P2 Deluxe built in Detroit plant ( from chassis 2641401 to 2987635)

I have read, that in the 30's many cars from the Chrysler group, as Plymouth, were rebadged as Chrysler, when they were for the British market, or in this case when was body built in England.

I'm trying to post some pictures, using imageshack, but have problem to post them.

I would apreciate any information about my car, and indications that help me to post the pictures.

Thank you in advance

Regards

Mario

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Limit your photo pixel sizes to 2000 pixels in both directions and they should load.

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CARLTON CARRIAGE COMPANY LIMITED, Waldo Works, Waldo Road, Willesden, London N.W.10. They were located near to Lendrum & Hartman who were the Buick importers at the time, as well as Cadillac and La Salle.

For some reason I don't have the 1936 Chrysler imports. There were two companies: Chrysler Motors Limited and Dodge Brothers (Britian) Limited, and both were based in the factory in Kew, then in Surrey, on the south bank of the River Thames. Consequently the cars were named after Surrey towns, plus Wimbledon which you will have heard of from the tennis tournament, which was actually in London S.W.19. Also, Heston, near where I come from, was in Middlesex [now west London] and was the site of one of London's two civil aerodromes and home of an aircraft company or two.

These are the 1935-7 models that I know of:

1935 LIST

CHRYSLER USA/CANADA/ENGLAND

19.8HP KEW SIX PLYMOUTH PJ

CHASSIS

2-DOOR SALOON

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

DROP-HEAD COUPE

PLYMOUTH 2-DOOR SALOON 9’ 1” W.B. AND SYNCHRO

PLYMOUTH 4-DOOR SALOON SAME

23.4HP WIMBLEDON PLYMOUTH PJ

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

DROP-HEAD COUPE

19.8HP RICHMOND AIRSTREAM SIX

CHASSIS

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

DROP-HEAD COUPE

4-DOOR SALOON

27.3HP KINGSTON AIRSTREAM EIGHT

CHASSIS

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

DROP-HEAD COUPE

4-DOOR SALOON

27.3HP CROYDON AIRFLOW DE SOTO SE

ALL STANDARD MODELS

33.8HP HESTON AIRFLOW CU

ALL STANDARD MODELS

33.8HP ROYAL EIGHT AIRFLOW AIRSTREAM EIGHT?

ALL STANDARD MODELS

DODGE USA

19.8HP

VICTORY SIX SALOON 5-SEATER

25.35HP

SENIOR SIX SALOON 5-SEATER

1936 LIST?

DON’T HAVE BUT:

C8 WAS KINGSTON

RICHMOND SIX C7?

1937 LIST

CHRYSLER USA/CANADA/ENGLAND

19.8HP OR 23.4HP

CHASSIS

KEW TOURING SALOON

CONVERTIBLE COUPE

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

23.4HP

WIMBLEDON CHASSIS

WIMBLEDON TOURING SALOON

7-PASSENGER

CONVERTIBLE COUPE

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

27.3HP

RICHMOND CHASSIS

RICHMOND TOURING SALOON

RICHMOND 7-PASSENGER 11’ 1” W.B.

CONVERTIBLE COUPE

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

CROYDON SALOON 9’ 7 ¾” W.B. WITH

OR WITHOUT OVERDRIVE

33.8HP

KINGSTON TOURING SALOON 11’ 1” W.B.

7-PASSENGER 11’ 1”

SPORTS SALOON 10’ 1”

HESTON SALOON 10’ 3” WITH/WITHOUT O/D

ROYAL SALOON 10’ 8” W.B.

DODGE:

VICTORY DE LUXE 25.35HP

CHASSIS

5-SEATER SALOON

FIXED-HEAD COUPE

SENIOR SIX 25.35HP

CHASSIS S.W.B. 9’ 7”

CHASSIS L.W.B. 11’

5-SEATER SALOON

7-SEATER SALOON

7-SEATER LIMOUSINE

CONVERTIBLE COUPE

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Mario's beauty has all the attributes of a '36 Plymouth from the cowl forward,

even the winged badge on the split grille (except for the hood ornament)...

36_chrysler_carlton_ply1a.jpg

Is it because Chrysler UK sold them as Chryslers, or that a previous owner

wanted the prestige of the Chrysler name and simply rebadged the car?

Mario, this is a link to your car posted on a Coachbuild.com thread,

maybe we can learn more with input from the other side of the Pond.

TG

Edited by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history)

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Isn't this one of those instances where the owner could submit the car for

consideration to the CCCA, and have a Classic Plymouth?

TG

Absolutely.

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Thank you very much for the info and worm welcome.

This Chrysler never has been badged as a Plymouth, it was imported as a Chrysler, registered from new as a Chrysler, and badged from new as a Chrysler.

There is no Plymouth badge any were, inclusive on the Dasboard central gauge, in the Plymouth P2 Deluxe, the name Plymouth is present at the bottom of the gauge face, in my car there is no name in there.

The front emblem on the grille is Plymouth design, but Chrysler bagde.

Find as follows a picture of the Carlton Carriage plaque, were the body number is stamped, and also a picture of the front, side, and rear Chryler badges

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Thanks for the additional pics Mario, they really add to the conversation, and to the mystery.

What a beautiful car...has it always lived in the Canary Islands?

TG

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I forget to say that, the chassis and power train specs, are not 100% exactly as a Plymouth P2 Deluxe.

The starter motor switch is not on the floor acting by foot, it has a bottom/switch on the dashboard, and the starter motor is diferent reference that the Plymouth P2, with a solenoid on top of the starter motor.

The hand brake is not acting to a single drum at the rear of the transmision, like the Plymouth P2, this car has the hand brake acting by twin cables at the rear wheels brake drums.

The rear shock absorbers, are telescopic from the factory, not arm type as Plymouth P2. also another details of the power train are diferent.

My father that sadly passed away last May, bougth this Chrysler in the late 60´s so it´s almost a family member.

Find as follows some black and white pictures of the day that my father bought it, and pull it out to see the sun again, after a long term sleeping in the dark in a countryside farm barn.

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Thanks for the additional pics Mario, they really add to the conversation, and to the mystery.

What a beautiful car...has it always lived in the Canary Islands?

TG

This car always was a mistery for my father, and now for me, because no body has been able of giving us any details about the production records of the Carlton Carriage Ltd, and how many cars like this were built etc.

The history of this car, is that was founded after the war in an Spanish militar base, here in Gran Canaria, covered with a canvas, the car were still unregistered and brand new, probably it was requised during the war.

An Spanish militar captain bought it, and he first registered the car on its name in November of 1.940.

The car after a short period, change of hands, the militar captain sold it to a Lady Marquis, and she passed away in the mid 50´s, and the car was parked into a barn of one of the country side properties of the Marquis here in Gran Canaria, and was unused and forgeted for near 20 years into that barn. My father found it with original paint and interior, and bought it to the family of the Marquis. The car was restored in earlie 70´s by my father, and now is in my owner shipp, and in the future in my daughters ownershipp.

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Mario, this is a link to your car posted on a Coachbuild.com thread,

maybe we can learn more with input from the other side of the Pond.

TG

TG, thank you very much for post it in coachbuilt.com

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It seems very likely your car's chassis was assembled in Kew England using parts imported from the United States or Canada.

In those days many "American" cars sold in England and British Commonwealth countries, actually originated in Canada because there was no import duty to pay.

I believe all the cars built in Kew were badged as Chryslers even if made from Plymouth and Dodge parts.

This would account for the Carleton body as well.

Are there any serial numbers on the engine or chassis?

There should be a number stamped on a raised pad on the engine block, on the left side, near the front, at the top of the block, behind the generator.

There could also be a chassis number stamped on the frame either behind the left front wheel or behind the left rear wheel.

Finally there could be a plate on the firewall.

North American built cars had a serial number plate on the left front door post but as your body was built in England it is possible it never had one.

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The chassis number stamped on chassis front left side is QD7189-2676628

Engine number: P2 52190

Body number stamped on Carlton Carriage plaque: 2276

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