Guest vantage Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hello, I'm new in the foro, my name is Mario Domínguez, from Gran Canaria, Canary Islands, Spain.I own a 1936 Chrysler 3 position Drophead Coupe, coachwork by the Carlton Carriage Ltd in London. UK.The body of the car is finished in aluminium, except the wings and bonnet. I'm very interesting in obtain any information about this car, and would apreciate any information that any member can post.The car has a plaque of the body builder on each door, and also another small plaque of the builder riveted to the firewall. Another rarity, is that the car is badged from new as a Chrysler, but the chassis and power train match a Plymouth P2 Deluxe, and not a 1936 Chrysler. The engine is a P2 code, and the chassis number is QD7189-2676628. I don't know the meaning of the numbers QD7189, but the second sequence of numbers 2676628 match a Plymouth P2 Deluxe built in Detroit plant ( from chassis 2641401 to 2987635)I have read, that in the 30's many cars from the Chrysler group, as Plymouth, were rebadged as Chrysler, when they were for the British market, or in this case when was body built in England.I'm trying to post some pictures, using imageshack, but have problem to post them.I would apreciate any information about my car, and indications that help me to post the pictures.Thank you in advanceRegardsMario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Limit your photo pixel sizes to 2000 pixels in both directions and they should load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Welcome to the Forum Mario. Here is a link to the Coachbuild.com Carlton Carriage Co. pages. When you post photos of your Chrysler I can add them to that forum. It sounds like a great car; here's a '36 Dodge bodied by CCC.TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thank you for the info about how post the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Absolutely STUNNING car! You are very lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Very nice car and welcome to the AACA forum. This has those scalloped wheels sombody was asking about recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oracle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 CARLTON CARRIAGE COMPANY LIMITED, Waldo Works, Waldo Road, Willesden, London N.W.10. They were located near to Lendrum & Hartman who were the Buick importers at the time, as well as Cadillac and La Salle. For some reason I don't have the 1936 Chrysler imports. There were two companies: Chrysler Motors Limited and Dodge Brothers (Britian) Limited, and both were based in the factory in Kew, then in Surrey, on the south bank of the River Thames. Consequently the cars were named after Surrey towns, plus Wimbledon which you will have heard of from the tennis tournament, which was actually in London S.W.19. Also, Heston, near where I come from, was in Middlesex [now west London] and was the site of one of London's two civil aerodromes and home of an aircraft company or two.These are the 1935-7 models that I know of:1935 LISTCHRYSLER USA/CANADA/ENGLAND19.8HP KEW SIX PLYMOUTH PJCHASSIS2-DOOR SALOONFIXED-HEAD COUPEDROP-HEAD COUPEPLYMOUTH 2-DOOR SALOON 9’ 1” W.B. AND SYNCHROPLYMOUTH 4-DOOR SALOON SAME23.4HP WIMBLEDON PLYMOUTH PJFIXED-HEAD COUPEDROP-HEAD COUPE19.8HP RICHMOND AIRSTREAM SIXCHASSISFIXED-HEAD COUPEDROP-HEAD COUPE4-DOOR SALOON27.3HP KINGSTON AIRSTREAM EIGHTCHASSISFIXED-HEAD COUPEDROP-HEAD COUPE4-DOOR SALOON27.3HP CROYDON AIRFLOW DE SOTO SEALL STANDARD MODELS33.8HP HESTON AIRFLOW CUALL STANDARD MODELS33.8HP ROYAL EIGHT AIRFLOW AIRSTREAM EIGHT?ALL STANDARD MODELSDODGE USA19.8HP VICTORY SIX SALOON 5-SEATER25.35HPSENIOR SIX SALOON 5-SEATER1936 LIST?DON’T HAVE BUT:C8 WAS KINGSTONRICHMOND SIX C7?1937 LISTCHRYSLER USA/CANADA/ENGLAND19.8HP OR 23.4HPCHASSISKEW TOURING SALOONCONVERTIBLE COUPEFIXED-HEAD COUPE23.4HPWIMBLEDON CHASSISWIMBLEDON TOURING SALOON7-PASSENGERCONVERTIBLE COUPEFIXED-HEAD COUPE27.3HPRICHMOND CHASSISRICHMOND TOURING SALOONRICHMOND 7-PASSENGER 11’ 1” W.B.CONVERTIBLE COUPEFIXED-HEAD COUPECROYDON SALOON 9’ 7 ¾” W.B. WITHOR WITHOUT OVERDRIVE33.8HPKINGSTON TOURING SALOON 11’ 1” W.B.7-PASSENGER 11’ 1”SPORTS SALOON 10’ 1”HESTON SALOON 10’ 3” WITH/WITHOUT O/DROYAL SALOON 10’ 8” W.B.DODGE:VICTORY DE LUXE 25.35HPCHASSIS5-SEATER SALOONFIXED-HEAD COUPESENIOR SIX 25.35HPCHASSIS S.W.B. 9’ 7”CHASSIS L.W.B. 11’5-SEATER SALOON7-SEATER SALOON7-SEATER LIMOUSINECONVERTIBLE COUPE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Mario's beauty has all the attributes of a '36 Plymouth from the cowl forward,even the winged badge on the split grille (except for the hood ornament)...Is it because Chrysler UK sold them as Chryslers, or that a previous owner wanted the prestige of the Chrysler name and simply rebadged the car?Mario, this is a link to your car posted on a Coachbuild.com thread,maybe we can learn more with input from the other side of the Pond. TG Edited January 30, 2012 by TG57Roadmaster (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Isn't this one of those instances where the owner could submit the car for consideration to the CCCA, and have a Classic Plymouth?TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Isn't this one of those instances where the owner could submit the car for consideration to the CCCA, and have a Classic Plymouth?TGAbsolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thank you very much for the info and worm welcome.This Chrysler never has been badged as a Plymouth, it was imported as a Chrysler, registered from new as a Chrysler, and badged from new as a Chrysler.There is no Plymouth badge any were, inclusive on the Dasboard central gauge, in the Plymouth P2 Deluxe, the name Plymouth is present at the bottom of the gauge face, in my car there is no name in there. The front emblem on the grille is Plymouth design, but Chrysler bagde.Find as follows a picture of the Carlton Carriage plaque, were the body number is stamped, and also a picture of the front, side, and rear Chryler badges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG57Roadmaster Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks for the additional pics Mario, they really add to the conversation, and to the mystery.What a beautiful car...has it always lived in the Canary Islands?TG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I forget to say that, the chassis and power train specs, are not 100% exactly as a Plymouth P2 Deluxe.The starter motor switch is not on the floor acting by foot, it has a bottom/switch on the dashboard, and the starter motor is diferent reference that the Plymouth P2, with a solenoid on top of the starter motor.The hand brake is not acting to a single drum at the rear of the transmision, like the Plymouth P2, this car has the hand brake acting by twin cables at the rear wheels brake drums.The rear shock absorbers, are telescopic from the factory, not arm type as Plymouth P2. also another details of the power train are diferent.My father that sadly passed away last May, bougth this Chrysler in the late 60´s so it´s almost a family member. Find as follows some black and white pictures of the day that my father bought it, and pull it out to see the sun again, after a long term sleeping in the dark in a countryside farm barn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Thanks for the additional pics Mario, they really add to the conversation, and to the mystery.What a beautiful car...has it always lived in the Canary Islands?TGThis car always was a mistery for my father, and now for me, because no body has been able of giving us any details about the production records of the Carlton Carriage Ltd, and how many cars like this were built etc. The history of this car, is that was founded after the war in an Spanish militar base, here in Gran Canaria, covered with a canvas, the car were still unregistered and brand new, probably it was requised during the war. An Spanish militar captain bought it, and he first registered the car on its name in November of 1.940. The car after a short period, change of hands, the militar captain sold it to a Lady Marquis, and she passed away in the mid 50´s, and the car was parked into a barn of one of the country side properties of the Marquis here in Gran Canaria, and was unused and forgeted for near 20 years into that barn. My father found it with original paint and interior, and bought it to the family of the Marquis. The car was restored in earlie 70´s by my father, and now is in my owner shipp, and in the future in my daughters ownershipp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Great story and very cool car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name=Mario, this is a link to your car posted on a Coachbuild.com thread,maybe we can learn more with input from the other side of the Pond. TGTG, thank you very much for post it in coachbuilt.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 My father once owned a 1934(?) Rolls-Royce PII with a beautiful sporty closed body by Carlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_OToole Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 It seems very likely your car's chassis was assembled in Kew England using parts imported from the United States or Canada.In those days many "American" cars sold in England and British Commonwealth countries, actually originated in Canada because there was no import duty to pay.I believe all the cars built in Kew were badged as Chryslers even if made from Plymouth and Dodge parts.This would account for the Carleton body as well.Are there any serial numbers on the engine or chassis?There should be a number stamped on a raised pad on the engine block, on the left side, near the front, at the top of the block, behind the generator.There could also be a chassis number stamped on the frame either behind the left front wheel or behind the left rear wheel.Finally there could be a plate on the firewall.North American built cars had a serial number plate on the left front door post but as your body was built in England it is possible it never had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vantage Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The chassis number stamped on chassis front left side is QD7189-2676628Engine number: P2 52190Body number stamped on Carlton Carriage plaque: 2276 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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