trickrk Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Getting ready to do my torque ball seal on my 53 Super. Any suggestions on who to get the parts kit from. Also is there any thing else I will need other than the parts kit.Here are a few I vendors I found.Any input is appreciated1953-60 Dynaflow Transmission Rear Leak Seal Kit Torque Ball Retainer FREE SHIP | eBay1953-60 Dynaflow Transmission Rear Leak Seal Kit Torque Ball Retainer FREE SHIP | eBayDYNAFLOW TRANSMISSION TORQUE BALL SEAL BOOT KIT 1953-1955Dynaflow Torque Ball Retainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 DYNAFLOW TRANSMISSION TORQUE BALL SEAL BOOT KIT 1953-1955<----do not use this one unless you have the original metal outer torque ball retainer, want to spent hours adjusting, and then have leaks as a reward for your troubles. The other kits will serve you well. Other vendors with quality products are Fatsco and Bob's Automobilia.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 Thanks Willie, Is the typical torque ball seal kit all I will need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Thanks Willie, Is the typical torque ball seal kit all I will need?yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john hanson Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Put me on you list i have some torque ball seals and parts new oem from Buickalso have other partsJohn Hanson email johnanddee1956@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEarl Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Put me on you list i have some torque ball seals and parts new oem from Buickalso have other partsJohn Hanson email johnanddee1956@yahoo.comand at fair prices at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Can you guys offer any tips on removal and installation? I am not seeing much in the shop manual pertaining to this procedure Edited January 23, 2012 by trickrk spelling (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hey guys if any one is still following this thread I have a few new questions.I read the aticle in the December 2009 Buick Bugle by Aaron Toth. In the article he mentions a spring loaded propeller shaft seal that should be on the shaft ( In his case it was missing from a previous repair). I am not seeing one on mine either, just a standard looking seal pressed in to the end of the torque tube flange around the prop shaft. I am assuming the seal that came with my fatsco kit replaces this. Would This application be different on mine because it is a super with a V8 and his is a 53 special?. Also, do I need a prop shaft spline seal or any thing else?Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron65 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Hey there...I'm Aaron...The seal kit should be the same between your Super and my Special. The seal from Fatsco will go into the torque tube flange around the prop shaft. The one that seals the splines does not come with the kit. I bought mine from Bob's Automobilia, and as mentioned in the article, made up the spring and washers from a used master cylinder rebuild kit (the 5 dollar variety). From what I remember, my Dad had to ream out the washers to fit over the shaft, but it wasn't too big of a deal. Bob's may even have those springs. Good luck! Oh yeah, one thing you may want to check...if your prop shaft has a groove worn in it from the old seal, you might want to see if the new seal will ride in that same location. You know how things pop into your mind after you're done with a job? Additionally, you might want to lube the rubber side of the torque ball retainer with some Vaseline or something. I used trans. fluid on mine, and on cold mornings, the first time out of the driveway, it makes a groaning sound as it articulates. It's fine after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Holmberg Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Here it`s Rick.Private message ,send me your email address and I think you will have a little bit better picture. Leif in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thanks guys for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john hanson Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't know how much i can help you out but i do have a few O E M torque ball parts If you need something let me know .John Hanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aaron, does the torque ball boot get reused at all or discarded?I was looking at the shop manual further and now I find myself more confused. Maybe you or some one can clarify this. In the attached scan it does not show a propeller shaft spline oil seal for 1953. It says that there is a sleeve pressed on to the prop shaft to close off the splines against the passage of oil. Would that mean in 1952 they a different style end on the prop shaft that would require the use of the spline oil seal? Does any one know how they are on a 54?Thanks, Rickseal 3.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 RickLooking at the attached pdf file, yours is like my 55's and you don't need any spline seal, springs, etc. The boot is only needed with the original outer torque ball retainer unless you want to install to make it look original (nobody can see it and it is a pain to install).All you need is the typical torque ball seal kit like we started discussing unless after disassembly yours is different.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted February 25, 2012 Author Share Posted February 25, 2012 Willie, I think you are right about the spline seal. After reading the information in the manual half a dozen times I keep coming back to the conclusion that the spline seal is unnecessary if the shaft has the sleeve. Sorry to rehash what we discussed earlier, just trying to get as much info as possible.Thanks, Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron65 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 You may be perfectly correct Rick...I use a '52 shop manual, so it might be that they eliminated that seal in '53 and I added one for no good reason. Willie's right, you can dump the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripgear Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I have these if you need them. I do not have the rubber. You can have them for the cost of postage and a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Stripgear, I REALLY appreciate the offer, you are VERY generous. I do not think I will need them. I think I figured out 53's did not use them. None the less, thanks a million for the offer.Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 I noticed in the 53 Buick parts manual that it shows a gasket or shim between the thrust plate and outer torque ball retainer. Is this a necessary part? If so how thick would it have been?I have the thrust plate bolted on but can see a minor gap between the thrust plate and the outer torque ball retainer. If they are not making even contact I would think this could cause a leak. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 That's where the shims would go if using the original style outer torque ball retainer. I just use a thick gasket or shim(s) with a little spray coppercoat or anaerobic sealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Just to clarify we are looking at item E right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Oops, you're correct, that is outside the sealing area...probably a shim and used as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 Ok having a problem. I installed the new Fatsco torque ball retainer, greassed the retainer and ball with sythetic grease, installed all the shims and tightened by hand with a 3/8 ratchet, I moved the torque ball periodicly while tightening. By the time I get all the bolts tightend the torque ball is so tight that it will not move even with a pipe in the end of the torque ball for leverage. Do I need more shims? Should I use a different grease?I can't find any info for a torque ball being to tight, only to loose. Any suggestions?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Bruce aka First Born Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) You need a little more shim at "G". Your kit should have had multiple "shims" , looking like gaskets, different colors for different thickness, for the purpose of this adjustment. Do you have a shop manual? Procedure is pretty clear in my '50 manual. I can post if wanted. Although instructions from a '53 manual might be different. Ben Edited April 15, 2012 by First Born (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share Posted April 15, 2012 There are 3 remaining shims and I installed all of them according to the directions at the torque ball retainer. It is must need additional shims that I can order from Bob's, looks like a four piece kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old-tank Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Ok having a problem. I installed the new Fatsco torque ball retainer, greassed the retainer and ball with sythetic grease, installed all the shims and tightened by hand with a 3/8 ratchet, I moved the torque ball periodicly while tightening. By the time I get all the bolts tightend the torque ball is so tight that it will not move even with a pipe in the end of the torque ball for leverage. Do I need more shims? Should I use a different grease?I can't find any info for a torque ball being to tight, only to loose. Any suggestions?:confused:That vulcanized outer torque ball retainer was designed to not use shims. Looking in a 58 Buick book it shows and describes only a gasket where the shims on the previous metal-metal outer torque ball retainer are used. I install mine that way, leave loose until the torque tube is installed then tighten. The rubber on the outer torque ball retainer will take a 'set' after being compressed and will function as designed. When I trailer one of mine I tie down at the lower control arms and the rear axle --- that serves to pull the torque ball back into the outer torque ball retainer and I will have a brief leak until the rubber 'recovers'.Willie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillBilly53 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 What are the grease specs to use for the torque ball and retainer? Just a generic ball bearing grease or is there something specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickrk Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) I used synthetic bearing grease becauce that is what I had on hand. I think the grease helps with the assembly process. Maybe some one else can say for sure but I think that once in use it will be lubed by the transmission fluid. Edited April 18, 2012 by trickrk (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lugarsu Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Hey there...I'm Aaron...The seal kit should be the same between your Super and my Special. The seal from Fatsco will go into the torque tube flange around the prop shaft. The one that seals the splines does not come with the kit. I bought mine from Bob's Automobilia, and as mentioned in the article, made up the spring and washers from a used master cylinder rebuild kit (the 5 dollar variety). SP-132 Seal Kit Additionally, you might want to lube the rubber side of the torque ball retainer with some Vaseline or something. I used trans. fluid on mine, and on cold mornings, the first time out of the driveway, it makes a groaning sound as it articulates. It's fine after that.Hello, Im Luis Garcia, new to this forum.I`m living in Madrid, Spain, and this makes looking for info more difficult. My car is a 1951 model56C, and I have the problem of the splined shaft seal (Sp132 kit), that I cannot find where to buy it. Can I use the PS463 sold by Bob`s instead? Could you, please give me some more info on how you did with the master cylinder kit? .Perhaps some photos or drawings? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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