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Barry Wolk

What is this huge vehicle?

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One other thing I wonder about. Is the body on the Mercedes European or American. It looks to me like a typical American body but I don`t know that much about it.

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No one believes it's a Mercedes as their cars all has stars emblazoned on their radiator housing and their filler neck was at the front of their radiators. That V grill was popular on about 20 manufacturers in Europe at the time.

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From another site.

RE: Photo in #80: Front car looks like it might be an Olds Limited, and they are indeed "huge"... 42" tires, I believe.

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The big car at the front of the queue here is an Oldsmobile Limited - note the very large wheels and the double running boards. Our mystery car is not that big.

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I am going with the 1910-15 90hp Mercedes too many matches in build. Apparently they liked taking pictures of kids dressed as adults, check out this early 1911 Audi, another huge car...

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Size, wheels and chassis look about right with this car. The body is obviously not right. This picture is from Hollywood 1916, the woman is Mabel Normand. Not good enough with pre war automobiles to ID the make.

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No one believes it's a Mercedes as their cars all has stars emblazoned on their radiator housing and their filler neck was at the front of their radiators. That V grill was popular on about 20 manufacturers in Europe at the time.

Compare the factory photo of a 90 hp Mercedes on page 61 of WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING....same radiator shape, no star emblem, crank thru the bottom ot the radiator, same wheels and hubs. Admittedly the rad ornament appears to be further front than the one on the car in question.

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This car does not appear to be either a Mercedes or a Benz. If you really study all of the clues of the chassis of the unknown (really the only clues) they are not the same.The front frame horns are shaped differently also.

This car does not have chain boxes at the back of the splash aprons so it probably is not chain-drive.

Mercedes did make a shaft drive also but it's details do not match either.

I think it a shaft-drive six-cylinder.

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The car does have chain boxes at the back of the splash aprons, clearly visible in the photo with the people in the front seat.

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The car does have chain boxes at the back of the splash aprons, clearly visible in the photo with the people in the front seat.

Chain boxes usually have a large door for access to work on the chain or to change sprockets. The unknown car has bulges like what would appear over a brake cross shaft or the front of a spring or both. Unfortunately the photo is not clear enough to see these in good detail. If this car was chain drive, to change a front sprocket which would most likely be bigger than the bulge you would have to possibly remove the bulge and the splash apron and possibly the fender. The rear fender, these bulges, the splash apron and the running board all look like factory products so we don't they would not have done this on a chain drive car because of service requirements.

Compare the front frame horns of the 90 h.p. Mercedes (first two photos) with the unknown, they are of a totally different shape. The radiator is also different and Mercedes radiator cores (photo four) have a clear pattern of squares which are not seen on this car.

As I mentioned earlier we think it maybe a six cylinder (based on the length of the hood) shaft-drive car. You can also read the comments at The Old Motor.

The hubs and caps on this car are also different and have twice the number of bolts as either the Mercedes or the Benz

The fifth photo shows a Benz front end and you can see the radiators are clearly different and the vee is not as deep, even allowing for the angle that the photo is taken from.

The fifth photo clearly shows the front frame horns and layout of the rivets on another Benz and the hubs which can be seen are also clearly different.

The last photo shows a Benz racer with a flat radiator and you can see the frame horns have a much sharper curve and are lighter in section

The closest car with the same chassis details to matching the unknown so far, has been a 1912 and newer Fiat six, but we have not been able to find a clear photo of the side of a front frame horn to determine the rivet placing and also the shape.

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There appear to be some similarities in the front springs and chain (?) cover between this Benz taxi

in Turku that Juha posted and the mystery car. Juha's Benz a smaller series, though,

which may account for the different wheel pattern.

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And the spring supports from this one that T-Head posted...

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The front fenders' downward curve on the leading edges could have been easily flattened to

accommodate the running lights and their housings. Maybe a more complete image of

the one above would help?

TG

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We have have not had any more luck with finding any more information about this car. We have connections with license plate collectors and historians that have helped us ID cars in the past. We have tried to get the registration info on this car as that may have helped.

The records exist, but just as I was told before trying, they are not accessible so that avenue will not work.

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T-Head,how to do to search for a specific car make or year,it`s hard to went thru all 4000.

Leif in Sweden.

Leif, there are two search boxes on our site, one just under the Facebook ad in the right column and another under the Categories index just below it.

Type in what you are looking for with " " marks on each side and if it is on the site it should come up.

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I believe import duty about this time was about 85%,,hence the local products fitted,,Cheers,,Ben

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T-Head,thanks I was just looking at the top of your home page.Beautiful pictures on you site.

Leif in Sweden.

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