keiser31 Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Has anyone any idea what year this DB sign is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 32DL6 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 John...if you look closely, those letters look rather inconsistent and some rather crude. Makes me wonder if that was made up by someone other than the DBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 John, is the sign porcelain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share Posted December 16, 2011 John, is the sign porcelain?It's not mine and yes it is porcelain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Zetnick Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I have seen that lettering style used in DB advertising; remembering it to be very modern for the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Bob,Dave and Phil I found that sign about 10 years ago on the rear of a DB ute.It was fixed to the tail light bracket. I dont know its origin may have been made localy here in Australia I have never seen any others and was just curious.The ute was about a 25 model.Thankyou John for posting the picture as I'm a Technology Retard when it comes to computors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 32DL6 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 I have seen that lettering style used in DB advertising; remembering it to be very modern for the time.No question whoever made this was trying to emulate the official typeface Dodge used in its promotions. But if you look closely at the two "E"s you'll notice that the one in "Dodge" has a center bar extending past the top and bottom bars (like the original official font), while the one in "Brothers" has a short center bar. Being a graphic designer serving businesses myself, I can't believe that would ever fly with a corporation as large as the DBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 How many "average Joe's" would have the ability to do porcelain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 32DL6 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 How many "average Joe's" would have the ability to do porcelain?How about an above-average Joe, then? ...may have been made locally here in Australia.I'd say Ron's hunch might be a good one. Maybe a local distributor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There were several large firms in Aus making porcelain signs and smaller ones too. I may have it restored [Thers a small firm in Victoria that does good quality restorations on porcelain signs] and fit it onto the Senior 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1930 Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Quote.....How about an above-average Joe, thenAint that the truthFor some reason it reminds me of a later sign, does not look like lettering from the twenties before if that makes sense, reminds me of D.B script from 30s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texacola Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 1930....Actually the lettering is the same (or near copy) of '20's if not eariler (all the way back?).It matches the lettering on the picture of a "Dodge Brothers Approved Servive Station" sign appearing in my Book of Information,18thedition,Sept.1926. Maybe someone with earlier cars can confirm how far back this sign dates. I also have the actual double sided sign but it is undated.I also agree that the "E" in Brothers is not typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrjoe_sandiego Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Speaking only for "below-average" Joe's, I can assure you porcelain presents us with a formidable challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy6 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I know this is an old thread but I thought this sign was cool so I went all CSI on it. There are a couple of things worth mentioning.1. The sign appears to me to have been hand cut with some sort of snips that leave a striated pattern on the edge of the metal. If you look closely at the bottom right edge and the top left edge you will see the pattern. These marks on the cut surface are consistent with the marks left by modern day "aviation snips" which I am familiar with. I don't know how long aviation snips have been around but surely not back in the Dodge Brothers era. There may have been other tools that leave similar marks though. The fact that these marks only show up on those particular edges is also consistent with how you would hand cut those curves with left and right snips.. On the other curves , the striated marks would show on the waste metal from the cut2. The left hand side internal corner seems to have a bit of overcut. I have put a circle around it on the attached pic. Your metal shop teacher in high school probably warned you about doing this when you cut sheet metal with snips.My conclusion is that the sign may have been cut more recently out of another older sign that may have originally been a dealer or service agent sign so this could be its second incarnation and most likely a one off piece and therefore almost impossible to put a date on.I still think it is cool. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1930 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) How about you get all CSI on a comp issue im having Edited June 25, 2012 by 1930 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John1918 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I agree with Dodgy6, it looks like it was cut from a larger sign and roughly touched up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I can assure you it was not cut from another sign. If you look carefully at the area where the porcelain is no broken you will see a nice rounded edge Try cutting an old porcelain pot with snips and see what happens You have both failed your dectectives exam so its back to walking the beat for you both Cheers Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy6 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 If I am allowed to indulge my theory before I get my coat and head back to traffic duty.....I wonder of some of the edges are the original sign edges??? I presume the top and maybe the top corners are the nice round edges you are refering to Ron? The others edges still look hand cut to me. So maybe some original and some "newer" edges? No, I've not tried to cut one of these signs with snips either so I'm just working with my gut on this!Oh well, whatever the true story is we've had some fun, (apart from Jason that is....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Hey Ross down the track I want to have that one restored If its not to expensive I'll Have one made for your DA Cheers Mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy6 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 :cool: Something like that would work well on the back end of my ute! Even if it is expensive let me know and I'll see what can be done about it. Thanks heaps. Or maybe I can just cut one out of an old porcelain sign with my aviation snips..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 1930 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 If I am allowed to indulge my theory before I get my coat and head back to traffic duty.....I wonder of some of the edges are the original sign edges??? I presume the top and maybe the top corners are the nice round edges you are refering to Ron? The others edges still look hand cut to me. So maybe some original and some "newer" edges? No, I've not tried to cut one of these signs with snips either so I'm just working with my gut on this!Oh well, whatever the true story is we've had some fun, (apart from Jason that is....) Im always having fun..............BTW these new emoticons stink, I hope they make fixing them a priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetles Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hi all, It seems that this may just be an Aussie sign as I have owned a few of them over the years and may have one still buried under lots of stuff. (please don't ask me to search for it) It's one of those things that will be found by accident.Simpson was one enamel sign maker here in Adelaide and I can't remember the others right now. This sign is definately not a one off. In fact they may still be available as reproductions as I believe I saw one in the lasr few years.I too have a D.A. Rodster ute and lots of motors and other spares.Cheers Beetles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DP_3Window Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I believe that this is nothing more than a period accessory.Accesory items of every imaginable type were made for just about every make of car ever made from as early as the mid teens. [& probably earlier]Many accessories were of a local manufacture in various parts of the world & enamel sign making was a well known technology before WW2 & limited production runs were not a problem. Here in NSW, pre early 30's, the registrtion authorities would issue only a single number plate [licence plate] which was to be affixed to the rear of the vehicle. The front plate was to be provided by the car owner & one coule order a matching enamel plate from at least one supplier in Sydney.By definition the production run would be one-only, so it is entirely possible/probable that this sign is an original, just not a genuine Dodge Brothers part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgy6 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hi all, It seems that this may just be an Aussie sign as I have owned a few of them over the years and may have one still buried under lots of stuff. (please don't ask me to search for it) It's one of those things that will be found by accident.Simpson was one enamel sign maker here in Adelaide and I can't remember the others right now. This sign is definately not a one off. In fact they may still be available as reproductions as I believe I saw one in the lasr few years.I too have a D.A. Rodster ute and lots of motors and other spares.Cheers BeetlesI believe that this is nothing more than a period accessory.Accesory items of every imaginable type were made for just about every make of car ever made from as early as the mid teens. [& probably earlier]Many accessories were of a local manufacture in various parts of the world & enamel sign making was a well known technology before WW2 & limited production runs were not a problem. Here in NSW, pre early 30's, the registrtion authorities would issue only a single number plate [licence plate] which was to be affixed to the rear of the vehicle. The front plate was to be provided by the car owner & one coule order a matching enamel plate from at least one supplier in Sydney.By definition the production run would be one-only, so it is entirely possible/probable that this sign is an original, just not a genuine Dodge Brothers part.Well, where were you guys 6 months ago when this thread started?!! I wouldn't have had to have stuck my neck out!Great info. I'll get back in my box now.....Beetles Bailey, I have sent you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Aw come on Ross Come out of your box you are needed out here to keep Jason and Ray on their toes Hey Hey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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