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Ok Ed I never thought to check my owners manual, that was a 'duh' moment for me. I will give the keys a try and see if all the locks/ignition work using either one.

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Could be a long shot, but in one of my cars, I found two separate hidden sets of keys in two separate hide-a-key magnetic little boxes in the rear of the car on top of the rear portion of the frame near the gas tank.

When I bought my 64 Riv and got it home and went to give it a tune up. I found a hidden key in the engine compartment

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My 64 did not come with keys. I pulled the trunk lock cylinder(took just a few minutes), took it to a locksmith, and 4 hours later i picked up a set of keys for the car.

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New to forum and have brand new old 63 - so, reading, reading, reading. 

 

No Keys for car. Trunk lock missing. Glove box locked. 

Sounds like I could pull door locks and have keys made based on code or talent of the locksmith.

Earlier post suggests trunk/glove box may be keyed different that doors/ignitiion.

More recent post (2/17/14) suggests single key for all four. This might be ideal for me.

 

If glove box is keyed differently and locked and no trunk tumbler, how does one liberate the unknown contents

of the glove box with damaging things that the mice and moisture have not yet finished their work?

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Research on how to remove door skin. In reality you really don't need to remove it all the way, but if your unfamiliar with the car you probably should. Ther's a 4 number code as has been mentioned on the cylinder.  You can then go to an older locksmith & have him make a copy or take the cylinder with you. Should be in & out in 15 minutes.

 

Tom T.

 

 

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6 hours ago, 1963Riv said:

New to forum and have brand new old 63 - so, reading, reading, reading. 

 

No Keys for car. Trunk lock missing. Glove box locked. 

Sounds like I could pull door locks and have keys made based on code or talent of the locksmith.

Earlier post suggests trunk/glove box may be keyed different that doors/ignitiion.

More recent post (2/17/14) suggests single key for all four. This might be ideal for me.

 

If glove box is keyed differently and locked and no trunk tumbler, how does one liberate the unknown contents

of the glove box with damaging things that the mice and moisture have not yet finished their work?

  You can remove the section of the dash which holds the glovebox and work from the back side to liberate the lock. As Tom says there will be a 4 digit code that converts into the cuts in the original key.

  The `64 cars had only 1 key for all locks. I think this was a change from `63 as the `64 Buick literature talks about the one key system like it was something new for `64. So I am assuming the `63 cars were originally equipped with a two key system. A locksmith can create a one key system by coding all the locks to one pattern no matter what year car you own.

  Dont know if this is a parts car or something you intend to be functional but....what I often find is the door cylinders no longer match the ignition switch tumbler, etc...this can occur due to an ignition switch change in which the entire assembly is swapped out including the tumbler or if someone changes a door skin and forgets to transfer over the original door lock.

  If you cant find a locksmith to service your locks, or have any other questions, send me a PM. I can service all aspects of the lock system on our cars,

Tom Mooney

 

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Look at the data plate on your firewall to see if the code Z4.  If it's so equipped, it has a vacuum release for the trunk. Thete vacuum hose th s under the carpet close to the rocker panel on the passenger's side.  You can provide enough vacuum to activate the release by sucking on it (If you have no other vacuum source.)  You can also access the trunk release through the back seat, if the spare tire is not in the way, and use a really long screw driver to release the trunk.  The trunk key a glove box key are the same on a 63, the ignition and door locks are the same. Makes it nice for valet parking. The valet can enter and drive for car, but not the trunk and glove box.

 

Good luck

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I had no idea about the single key on the 64. I replaced my locks in groups, so I have 3 keys. Any vendors sell a matched set of locks with one key? I can guarantee no one in my area can match tumblers.

 

I've had to open my trunk from the inside, it's an interesting adventure.

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54 minutes ago, jsgun said:

I had no idea about the single key on the 64. I replaced my locks in groups, so I have 3 keys. Any vendors sell a matched set of locks with one key? I can guarantee no one in my area can match tumblers.

 

I've had to open my trunk from the inside, it's an interesting adventure.

Hi Steve,

  I have a matched set put together. If you are interested send me a PM, thanks,

Tom Mooney

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Yes regarding Z4 on plate, No regarding operational. Pulls some vacuum but insufficient. 

Tubing may need to be replace or rear actuator may not be healthy.

Found the cylinder when removing carpet. Pretty cool. With rear lock removed, flat blade works for now. 

 

Thanks for info on dash, will get into that next weekend and see what treasure awaits.

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A good locksmith can put new tumblers in the lock cylinders so the all locks are the same.  That's what I did on my 64 when I had to replace a door cylinder.  Just like Lowe's does with the locks on the doors to your house.

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21 hours ago, RivNut said:

The trunk key a glove box key are the same on a 63, the ignition and door locks are the same. Makes it nice for valet parking. The valet can enter and drive for car, but not the trunk and glove box.

 

Is that so?  Not doubting you (because the Riviera may be different), but I've got a 63 Electra that has one key for everything (doors, trunk, ignition, glove box, and console).

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21 hours ago, RivNut said:

The trunk key a glove box key are the same on a 63, the ignition and door locks are the same. Makes it nice for valet parking. The valet can enter and drive for car, but not the trunk and glove box.

 

 

 My 63 Riviera has that same set up. All of my 63 Pontiacs were keyed this way as well.

 

Bill

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3 minutes ago, Riviera63 said:

 

 My 63 Riviera has that same set up. All of my 63 Pontiacs were keyed this way as well.

 

Bill

It is the same setup for my '63 Riviera. The owner manual talks about "Two keys are provided with your new Buick. Each key operates all locks." (page 35).

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The Buick parts books show one key blank for `36 thru `64 ...the books show 2 key blanks (round and hexagon) for `65-`67. It would seem until `65 there was only one key to open all locks. Perhaps the `64 literature emphasizing a one key system was not something new but a response to a competitor`s offerings? The text that Jan quotes above, along with the parts books, would lead me to believe Buick used a one key system until `65.

Tom Mooney

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My 63 came with both. The hexagon for the ignition/trunk, and the pear shaped one for the glove box and trunk.  Ive still got the punch-outs for each key with the codes stamped into them.

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10 minutes ago, RivNut said:

My 63 came with both. The hexagon for the ignition/trunk, and the pear shaped one for the glove box and trunk.  Ive still got the punch-outs for each key with the codes stamped into them.

Checked my 63 last night. I also have two keys, same as Ed above. Door key will not open the trunk. I have been afraid to try to lock the glove box, based on the horror stories heard here. Mine opens and closes fine. Not messing with it.

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15 minutes ago, steelman said:

Checked my 63 last night. I also have two keys, same as Ed above. Door key will not open the trunk. I have been afraid to try to lock the glove box, based on the horror stories heard here. Mine opens and closes fine. Not messing with it.

Try the glove box lock with the door open.  If it hangs up, you can still get to it to work on it.  A squirt of lock-ease before trying to work the key might loosen up any sticky pins or tumblers. 

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40 minutes ago, RivNut said:

My 63 came with both. The hexagon for the ignition/trunk, and the pear shaped one for the glove box and trunk.  Ive still got the punch-outs for each key with the codes stamped into them.

Weird but fun. Another mystery to ponder, why did some ‘63 come with one and others with two different keys. A special unknown option?

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37 minutes ago, RivNut said:

My 63 came with both. The hexagon for the ignition/trunk, and the pear shaped one for the glove box and trunk.  Ive still got the punch-outs for each key with the codes stamped into them.

Ed,

  Sometimes the key codes will be displayed on original paperwork. I know build sheets had them and I believe I have seen them on the dealer issued bill of sale. I also recall seeing the codes hand written in the warranty booklets.

  I have also seen over the counter nos coded locks which could be purchased which come with the keys with knock out stamped codes.

Tom

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4 hours ago, Chasander said:

One key for all locks on my 63. Also hood ornament is red. white and blue.

What is the build date on your car?

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  After I suggested Ed take a look at his original docs I realized I had encountered similar docs in the ROA library. Attached you will find 3 original dealer invoices for new `63 Rivieras which clearly indicate there was only one key when the cars were delivered to customers. One of the invoices even breaks down the ignition and trunk key and the code listed is the same.

 The later build sheets also break out the key code but I have only seen this on `65 and later build sheets, which show 2 distinct keys and codes. I have never seen a `64 or `63 build sheet because neither I or the ROA library has one?! Buick did a GREAT job of cleaning assembly line debris out of the first gen Rivs!

 

  DOES ANYONE HAVE A `64 OR EARLIER FACTORY BUILD SHEET?

Tom Mooney

 

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