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I own a 1957 Oldsmobile 98 that was badged and certified HPOF in 2006 & 2007. I am very happy with this award,which was done at Hershey.

I am reading in the December issue of Antique Automobile that owners of

of vehicles previously certified twice at the HPOF level can make a request to the vice president of class judging to have their car re-considered for a AACA

ORIGINAL Award.

I would like to make the request and I was wondering if their was a email

address or person I can contact to help me with this request.

Thanks Gary Della Vecchio Member #411063

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In case you see this one before you see my response in the general forum...

The VP of Class Judging is Herb Oakes.

Herb's mailing address is:

102 Converse Drive

Jacksonville, NC 28546

Herb's email address is herbfran@gibralter.net

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How does the criteria differ between HPOF and AACA Original? It wasn't explained in the AACA magazine. Will AACA Original be a separate class from HPOF?

One and the same!

HPOF

Historic Preservation of Original Features!

Also please note that Hulon McCraw said in the AACA Magazine article that AACA Original is now an AACA registered trademark for the HPOF Class.

Wayne

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Ok now I'm curious. I've read the HPOF certification form available on line. It refers to a compliance table and what appears to a required score to receive the "original" level. I do not under stand how that number level is evaluated by the judges. I've totaled up the line items shown which may be where the number 30 comes from. In the case of a 60's era vehicle a score of 28 is needed. If the candidate has new hoses and a new set of tires on it will that be enough to DQ the "original" addition to the stock HPOF award?

Just trying to get the huh look off my face.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I don't know if there are any judges from the HPOF Evaluation Team on the Discussion Forum. I am also interested in knowing more about this since I have an original car that was too new for HPOF under last year's rules but that now belongs in HPOF. I am sure that I will be attending a CJE on HPOF as soon as I can, but that will be a while.

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Just checked the new listing for 2012 and found that Lars Anderson is the Chairman of HPOF. I have not yet found contact information for him. Matt, any ideas on how to contact him to see if he can address the question?

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I don't see any contact information for him either. I would think that a phone call or email to Headquarters would probably be the best way to ask for an email address or phone number for him to ask the question.

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I don't believe that HPOF and HPOF are "one and the same." I think HPOF Original is the "next level" of HPOF, where you have to have a higher percentage of originality to your car.

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I don't see any contact information for him either. I would think that a phone call or email to Headquarters would probably be the best way to ask for an email address or phone number for him to ask the question.

Thanks. I just sent an e-mail to Steve to see if he can help with contact info. for Lars.

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West,

As I understand it, after you receive HPOF certification, at a subsequent meet you can compete for the "AACA Original" award within the HPOF Class. It is sort of like going for a Senior after you first have obtained a 1st Junior. As I understand it, the current question is what level of original is required for the "AACA Original". The score sheet indicates a certain number but at the moment, we don't quite understand what equates to the required number.

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You hit it on the head Matt. That is how I understand the HPOF "original" as well. A higher level of a HPOF. I'm just trying to understand the judging evaluation procedures to decide whether I go to that next level with my 442.

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West,

Just to keep up the confusion, Wayne was answering lovesolderplymouth's question of "Will AACA Original be a separate class from HPOF?"

Like always, this has been sort of an evolving discussion with at least 3 separate but related questions asked and answered.

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Matt, wish I had the time to further delve into this but I am reaching out to someone else to answer this thread better. The concept of HPOF(features) was always heavily laden to the features side. Trying to recognize cars that had major parts that were original. The new Original designation within the class makes these cars the best of the best, the most overall original. There could not be a repaint, a new interior, etc. and win this award. These cars have to be clearly mostly original with the exception of minor items. Back to work.

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Matt, wish I had the time to further delve into this but I am reaching out to someone else to answer this thread better. The concept of HPOF(features) was always heavily laden to the features side. Trying to recognize cars that had major parts that were original. The new Original designation within the class makes these cars the best of the best, the most overall original. There could not be a repaint, a new interior, etc. and win this award. These cars have to be clearly mostly original with the exception of minor items. Back to work.

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Does a repaint of a body / parts prior to the delivery of the car to the original owner count as original?? The factory authorizes such things by empowering the dealer to act as a agent of the factory in such cases before delivery. Some customers like myself special ordered a car and would not take delivery until repairs be made before delivery. There was no paperwork given to me as a customer because I had not taken delivery until after the respray of some body parts. Would you trust a original owners word in such cases.

D.

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A repaint is a repaint even if it happens at the dealer prior to delevery to the first owner. If you are aware of this on your HPOF car, you should disclose it when you complete the evaluation form for your car. This alone would not disqualify you from the Original Award. The 2012 Judges Manual is now available on this site from the main menu. It clarifies that every car which has previously won HPOF will be automaticly considered for the Original Award. The new evaluation form is available in the Judges Manual also. Good luck on your Original Certification.

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How would a judge even know part of the car had been repainted by the dealer? Personally I would consider any work done by a dealer prior to delivery to be just like any other dealer installed factory authorized accessory.

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As a judge I might have a problem if say an owner tried to convince me that the red fenders on his black car were "original" because the dealer resprayed them before delivery. In that case I would ask for documentation. If the respray was done to correct defective work done by the factory I would have no problem with it.

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Does a repaint of a body / parts prior to the delivery of the car to the original owner count as original?? The factory authorizes such things by empowering the dealer to act as a agent of the factory in such cases before delivery. Some customers like myself special ordered a car and would not take delivery until repairs be made before delivery. There was no paperwork given to me as a customer because I had not taken delivery until after the respray of some body parts. Would you trust a original owners word in such cases.

D.

If I had bought a car off the dealer lot back then I would have never known the car had been resprayed in some parts. Unlike today's disclosure laws, cars were sold that way. It wasn't until a few years later that you could tell some things were a miss with my paint. Color fade, and paint cracking because the substrate wasn't allowed to dry properly before tops coats were applied became clear. There is a very real difference between dealer installed accessories and the dealer acting as a agent of the factory...those types of repair in the factories eye are considered factory and it doesn't matter if the repair job was carried out in the factory repair shop or the dealer repair shop. The dealer IS the acting AGENT of the factory before delivery. Plus your warranty after delivery.

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I'm trying to figure out what your real question is. Are you saying that you purchased a new car and as a condition of the purchase you had the dealer respray parts of the body and that now those resprayed panels are deteriorating faster than the rest of the car and you want to know how this will affect the car's "original" status?

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I'm trying to figure out what your real question is. Are you saying that you purchased a new car and as a condition of the purchase you had the dealer respray parts of the body and that now those resprayed panels are deteriorating faster than the rest of the car and you want to know how this will affect the car's "original" status?

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Yes, and the facts I presented in my threads prove the cars paint should be judged as original.

D.

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