What is this??

[Guest ctcaddy]

Hi all:

I posted this on another forum section but no one could help so I am trying here. The car is claimed to be a 1905 Binford but there is no makers mark or identification anywhere. The engine is a 2 cylinder opposed, water cooled Davis marked E5 in the casting. The only referances I have found was in the 1953 Glidden Tour and a picture of a car in a closed Long Island Museum. I spoke with the son of the Tour driver and he did not have any information on the car. It was sold many years ago. He thought it may be 1 of 2 built in Cape Cod. The general thought is that it may be a "kit" car or one assembled from various cars. There is no listing I can find for Binford. One possibility is that it is a Benford. In 1904 Benford (PA) was sold to the Holley Brothers and they in turn sold off the parts as a kit. The only picture I have seen does not exactly match.

I have several pictures. The car is chain driven and the only part other than the engine with a marking is the ignition box. It is labeled New York Coil Co. I've looked at thousands of pictures but none match so far. Ideas?

Larry

[West Peterson]

Here's a Holley. It's a single cylinder car. One of just 3 known to exist.

[Guest ctcaddy]

Thanks West. That's a better picture than I saw. While the radiator and engine are different, there are some similarities but no match. I think the count is about 10,000 pictures and 30 or so hours of trying to identify this car. It may not be possible which means I have to find something like it to figure value. I tried researching the Davis engine. Not much information on it. I think it may have been more for agricultural use. I have yet to see a picture of one like this. I think Davis made some steam engines. Larry

[X-Frame]

What does the AAA tag under the box say. Can't quite make out a year - is it 1917?

[X-Frame]

Looks like a card on the driver seat that has the car's info on it in the one photo - what did it say?

[Guest stephen48]

Here is another photographed in 2008.

[Rusty_OToole]

Is that how Binford Tools got started? Don't let Tim Taylor see this he will put a big block chevy in it.

[Guest cben09]

I remember Bob Schonberg // Schonfield?? driving a Binford at the June meet at Al Garganigo's museum in Princeton Ma,,,around 1953,,It had a 2cylender vertical engine,,crank throws at 180d,,fired like a John Deere,,ta,dum,ta,dum,,,Check Bulb Horn for pic,,,Cheers,,,Ben

[Guest ctcaddy]

Hi all:

I had the pleasure of talking with Bob Schonberg's son who remembered the car. His only recollection was that his father said it was built on Cape Cod and was 1 of 2. It has an opposed 2 cylinder Davis engine. The car sold many years ago. The next mention I found was a picture from a closed museum on Long Island. I suspect that both are the same car as I am researching. There is no name or marking anywhere on the car. The late owner mentioned in an interview that it was a "early kit car". As can happen over the years, information can be distorted. There are other cars in the collection with wrong model years and other information. Larry

[Guest ctcaddy]

The tag under the spark box is AAA Veteran Motor Car Club.

[Guest cben09]

Look for Bulb Horn,,,3/4 issue should have June Princeton meet article,,,choose the year,,Ben

[Chris Paulsen]

ctcaddy-you have a private message about the Binford.

Chris Paulsen

McPherson, KS