CT Car Guy Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Anyone ever hear of a 1905 Binford? :confused: That's what someone thought the car I looked at today but there are no marks anywhere on it. They think it has a 2 cylinder Davis engine with 2 speeds forward and reverse.I've looked for hours through books and on-line and cannot find any record of Binford. The owner thinks it may be a one-off. Help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 There is the name "Binford" in my list of automobile manufacturers, but it does not give year(s) of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The 'Binford" I recall had the flywheel at front like early Stevens-D,,,and had a 2 cyl engine,,,but vertical twin,,,crank throws at 180,,,so it fired that un-even beat,,,seems like it had large sprockets on chain dr,,Was at the VMCCA meet at Princeton auto museum,,around 1952-53,[June meet??]],Pic in Bulb Horn I think,,Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Car Guy Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Thanks Guys. I have not seen a list with Binford on it so if have seen it, what list is it on? I did find a remark by the late owner that he thought it was a very early "kit" car. I searched his files and found no file about the car only others is the collection. All of those I can find information on. I was hoping to find something in his files from when he bought it. It seems strange since he had excellent files on all of his other cars. I am on a quest. I will find out the history on this car. I wonder if the AACA Library would have any information? Edited August 26, 2011 by CT Car Guy typo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 If they did in fact produce a "Binford" they overlooked it in The Standard Catalog of American Cars 1805-1942. Wonder if it used the same radiator as a 1905-07 WINTON? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The car at Princeton had same radiator,,and overall looked the same,,,but the front flywheel was painted 1/2 so it would be seen whizzing around.Owner was Bob Shonfeld,,Shonberg,,,something like that,,He was friend of Al and Sulley Garganigo,,museum owners,,the cars are gone the bldngs and memoories are left,,,The engine definately was a 2cyl vertical,with a 180 crank,,,not a common arrangement,, the sound ,,ta tdum ta,tdum,,,like a John Deere,,ahh,,memories,,,Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Car Guy Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 Looked at the car again today. The engine is definately a Davis. It is marked E5 and the cylinder heads have 255S embossed in. I am not sure of the last letter. There is also a number IC on the flywheel. The flywheel is behind the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I C on the flywheel is Intake Closes,,Check and see if in fact the tappet actually comes clear at this point,,Dont disterb anything,,just observe,,NOW,,, here's an interesting story,,,Working on Rod Blood's American,,we made new valves,,In setting the valves to perhaps ,010 it had poor compression,,Rod suggested to set the valves by the timing marks,,like they did in the old days,,[Rod was born in 1899 I think]]So I set the valves by the flywheel markings,,and it had good compression and started ran well,,,,and the clearence came to about ,120" when the tappet was all the wey down!!! This was a 5'n3/8 X5.5" 4cyl Teetor engine,,1913 short 4 pass tourer,,,Wonder where she is now,,,Would love to talk to the present owner,,especially about the original voltage regulator that worked so well and strange,,,,,haha,,,Cheers,,Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princeton54Museum Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Anyone ever hear of a 1905 Binford? :confused: That's what someone thought the car I looked at today but there are no marks anywhere on it. They think it has a 2 cylinder Davis engine with 2 speeds forward and reverse.I've looked for hours through books and on-line and cannot find any record of Binford. The owner thinks it may be a one-off. Help!Mention and some pix of the Binford can be found in the following: 7/51 (XII-3) 10/54 (XV-4) "Bulb Horn"s (with mentions of Schonberg and Garganigo), claiming a Jackson engine (!); and 4/81 & 9/81 "Cars & Parts." Autolit.com on eBay has had a photo of the car ("taken by Henry Austin Clark" at the Former (Goddard) Mohawk Trail Auto Museum in Charlemont, MA) in yellow. The museum also published a a Real Photo card in black and white of the 1905. None of the cards or photos I have are postmarked, so establishing a date of the Goddard Museum ('50's - '60's) is if-y! Last I knew (1990's) the car was in J. Parker Wickham's collection, Eastern Long Island. Hope this helps! ConwayPS. There is a website (something about "Earliest Automobiles...." in the web-name, that I think carries another "Binford" image, but it looks nothing like the car for which you have pictures on the AACA Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenHupp20 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I spotted this photo on the H.A.M.B. website the other day,posted by swi66 on 7/7/2013page 3738 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyshack Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 KenHupp20,Looking at the 26/27 T Ford and the license plate from N. Dakota, makes me think that the auto came from the town of Binford, North Dakota. Just a thought. Nice photo by the way. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenHupp20 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hah ! Good eye , and a sharp mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gossjh Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Post #7 says vertical cylinders while image shows a horizontal arrangement. Just something to note. The radiator is similar to Cartercar of 1907 time frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Paulsen Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I have heard about this car a few times since I was a kid. I always heard it was a built-up car that two brothers on Long Island assembled and restored in the 1940's or 1950's. They put it together from parts they had in Bins and it was all they could afford. That's how they came up with Binford. Also why I believe it is not listed in the Standard Catalog. It could also explain the tall radiator and empty hood covering a two-cylinder opposed engine. None of this may be true, and I don't want to further spread rumors, but that's what I've always heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Ballard 35R Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Chris, your account about it bring a homemade car is correct, I believe. I don't think there is any reference in Motor or the Automobile Trade Journal any such name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twin6 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) Here's a photo of the car Ben recalled, at a VMCCA event. Edited April 24, 2014 by twin6 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cben09 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 John Macomber's estate,,,called Raceland,,,in the early 1950's, John was a founder member of VMCCA ,,Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude928 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Here's another one of those mysterious Binfords:http://www.ebay.com/itm/181573994586?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITJordan1925 Franklin 11A Sedan1927 Gardner Series 1 Imperial Sedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Lay Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I see the mysterious Binford has now appeared in the latest Hemmings under Pre-1916 for sale. And, it now has claims to being owned at one time by Austin Clark. Mr. Clark being one of the authors of the Standard Catalog of American Cars, I think that if it had any legitimacy, it certainly would have been included by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laheyth Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 This looks like the same engine in my 1909 Lambert. I have a chunk missing from the water jacket, wondering if there are any orphaned engines like this out there for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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