Guest 75RivGS Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) Tried to use the search option for there are several threads about GS or not. Nothing came up to answer my question.Friend of me owns a 65 Riviera... GS. Doesn't have a window sticker or build sheet, but does have the Protect-O-Plate. Does this plate include information whether his Riviera is a real GS? (thought the plate includes the type of engine??) Edited August 31, 2011 by 75RivGS (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The trim plate:Don't have a photo of the Protect-O-plate unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The GS package was an option. Therefore it won't show up on the POP, nor will the car have a separate (unique) VIN. The dual four barrel engine would have an LX code and the engine serial number would match the VIN. There's a good article on the ROA website that deals with identifying a GS. Chances are that if the LX is there and the VIN is correct, it is a GS. Read the article for the other factors.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick91914 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 There's no way to tell from the photos if this is a GS. You need to check for the LX code block, BS code transmission, posi-traction, GS badges on the fenders, rear deck and glove box. There's other stuff like the distributor and its ID tag and shorter springs but those things could either be missing, replaced and hard too identify, but if you have the other stuff, I'd say you have a GS.By the way, do you have a VIN for this car? I can add it to the registry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The original Protecto Plate will most certainly indicate whether or not your friend`s car is a GS. The trans code, BS, is exclusive to the GS model and is displayed on the P-O-P. The `65 P-O-P also displays some other option information. Post a pic Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick91914 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The original Protecto Plate will most certainly indicate whether or not your friend`s car is a GS. The trans code, BS, is exclusive to the GS model and is displayed on the P-O-P. The `65 P-O-P also displays some other option information. Post a pic Tom MooneyTom, that is a good piece of info that I didnt know. Ive never had a car with a POP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Hopefully I will get a photo of the P-O-P this weekend.Beside the transmission code, should there also be the engine code on the P-O-P? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68RIVGS Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Both the engine production code number, and the trans. code number are shown in the upper left corner of the P-O-P for the '65 model, in addition to the VIN number, and other info about the vehicle, as Tom stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Thanks for all your replies. Will upload the P-O-P here as soon as I have it.For the registry: VIN= 494475H918381. Car was registered for the first time in The Netherlands on July 19 1995. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerRivFan Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 The trans code, BS, is exclusive to the GS model and is displayed on the P-O-P.Tom MooneyTom: Just out of curiosity, would the 454 non-GS '65s equipped with the LX code motor also have the BS code transmission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PONTIAC1953 Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tom: Just out of curiosity, would the 454 non-GS '65s equipped with the LX code motor also have the BS code transmission?"would the 454", ???????????, charles coker, 1953 pontiac tech advisor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 "would the 454", ???????????, charles coker, 1953 pontiac tech advisor.From the ROA site:In 1965 Buick built 34,586 Rivierias, of these: 28,467 were equipped with the standard 401 ci engine (LT), 2,311 with the optional 425 ci (LW) and 3,808 with the Super Wildcat 425 dual 4 bbl (LX). There were 3,354 Gran Sports built in 65. The remaining 454 dual four engines were installed in standard Rivieras as an A-8 engine option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bepnewt Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 From the ROA site:Charles may have read it like I did the first time - as a 454ci engine, not 454 being the count of engines.-BEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 The engine code is displayed on the P-O-P but even if the code was LX signifying the original engine was the dual quad 425 this would not prove the car to be a Gran Sport. As the above posts indicate Buick produced 454 non-GS Rivs with the 425 LX motor. The critical piece of the puzzle is the trans code. Only the GS cars had the BS trans code and that is listed on the P-O-P.The typical non-GS LX motored `65 Riv equipped with a standard 3:07 diff would not have a BS trans code.Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerRivFan Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Great info Tom - thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 From a big envelop came a variety of info; the P-O-P:I presume the X is for the engine and the BS for the transmission?08-342 is C.M Jones Inc. / Cuyahoga Falls, OH / 2409 Front streetAny info on the other codes?JJ 629 ZC 60A 31K 30U69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 But more history came out of that envelop:a former owner was a BCA member and visited the 1984 Nats in GA:That same owner (not on the 2008 BCA membership roster) had probably written a letter to Buick and this is what came as an answer:And also: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Unbelievable....I have never seen a letter from Buick documenting an early Riv. The letter head looks exactly like era Buick letterhead...unreal. This must have been before the documents were destroyed in Flint. Your friend has an extremely well documented GS and it is LOADED!BTW....the codes break down as follows:JJ verde green exterior629 custom saddle interiorZ wish I knew!! Some were "X" some were "Z" C60 Air conditioningA31 power windowsK30 cruise controlU69 am-fm radio with electric antenna I have a roster from the Riviera Club which Evans Clagett established. That club pre-dated the R.O.A. PM me with the name of the owner that made the inquiry to Buick and showed the car at the BCA meet and I may be able to supply era contact info to enable you to put together more history. Thanks for sharing Rob! Awesome...Tom MooneyP.S. Do you also have the referenced "sheet" from Buick records? Edited August 29, 2011 by 1965rivgs (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Rob,I have some really old ROA rosters. If you by any chance have the PO's ROA #, I may be able to find it for you. I think some of the early rosters were listed by state, so it would be helpful to have the city and state in which he lived. His name would be helpful too.You've probably figure out by now that some of the codes on the letter are "group codes." For example the R3 code for power windows and power vents is a combination of R1 and R2.Neat document!! I don't think there should be any doubt that this car is an original GS.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Thanks for all the data. Ed and Tom: PM's send.P.S. Do you also have the referenced "sheet" from Buick records?The only reference sheet that came with the letter was a photo copy of a Whole Sale Car Order form for a 65 Riviera (nothing added/written). It is in the photo album I PM-ed you.Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 75RivGS Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/PZpDvkpxqVA" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="345" width="420"></iframe>Woodgrain on the door panels were replaced a few years ago by the recent owner.Tom/Ed: I've added a few more photos to the album (with proof of another former owner / BCA member) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965rivgs Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hi Rob, Thanks for the additional info. I know the fellow who owned the car before the last two previous owners...so, three owners ago. I`ll gather the info for you. Thought I recognized that car!Tom Mooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Rob,I looked through the documents you PM'd but didn't find any reference to an ROA#. Hopefully Tom will be able to help you.I think the Riviera order form is the most interesting / informative document in the collection for general purposes and information.Tom,Is there anything like that in the ROA's library? If so, it would be nice to update the website with this info.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob J Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 That is one sweet 65 GS. Wow, that car is loaded with options, and all the documentation you have is pretty cool. Please keep this car in good shape, as it is certainly a very desirable car. There can't be many around like this one with the combo of nice colors/options/docs. Nice score!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fast_dave Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 UPDATE TO THREAD:This car is now owned by my brother in law, Leif, in Northern Sweden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob J Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 UPDATE TO THREAD:This car is now owned by my brother in law, Leif, in Northern Sweden!Congrats to him. If he ever wants to sell, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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