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Need expert help. What 80's / 90's cars are starting to be restored

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All of the Cadillac Eldorados, Buick Rivieras, Reattas, Alantes, Mustang, Camaro, Viper, Trans Am, Prowler, the new Challenger.

The Midsize GM rear wheel drive coupes of the 80s Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Buick Regal, especially the Areo coupes, Monte Carlo and Grand Prix. The cadillac Sevilles, the small Lincolns and the Mk series.

more....

The two passenger sporty versions of the Escort might find some with fond memories.

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The two passenger sporty versions of the Escort might find some with fond memories.

My fond memory, Lee Iacocca's description of the Escort EXP (2 passenger sport model) while introducing the Dodge Daytona/Plymouth Laser in 1984: "a ferret-like mole-car"!

Actually I rather like Escort EXPs, but it was a funny put-down. :)

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I love my '85 Mustang! There is a huge restoration industry devoted to those cars. I have a stack of catalogues that have so many nos parts and reproduction parts you could almost build a brand new one. I wish I still had my '84 olds ciera. It was in great shape when I got it with 60,000 miles on it. It was well made and got well over 30mpgs. The problem if I wanted to "restore" it is that If i was missing any trim pieces or needed body panels, where besides ebay or junk yards would I find those items? I grew up in the 80's and 90's and if I was going to buy and restore a car of that vintage it would probably be for more sentimental reasons and for fun rather than an investment like somthing from the 50s or 60s. Maybe in the future Ill find a ciera like the one I had and make it like new. I would probably take more pleasure in that restoration than any other!

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Originally Posted by Backyardmechanic viewpost.gif

I would hate to try to restore anything from 1980 on as NOS parts would be far an inbetween.As most if not all dealerships sent all there overstock back to the parts depoles for credit or they do not stock many parts ever try to get a trim peice the same day u go there to buy .We are told It'll be here in a few days

Vern.

Right. It's MUCH easier to find NOS parts from the 1950s than the 1980s... :rolleyes:

Today I ran into the problem Vern was alluding to.

My son's car is old, but new enough to have an electric coolant fan from the factory. It has 2 relays that operate it, a "low speed relay" operated by the temperature sensor and a "high speed relay" operated by the a/c unit. When the high speed relay is thrown it overrides the low speed sensor, of course.

Well, the high speed relay went bad. Right now the car has no fan to cool the radiator anytime the a/c compressor is running. He can't run his a/c or the defrosters. The car overheats in VERY short order with either one running, unless it is constantly moving, like on an interstate.

Today I shopped for a new relay.

Ford, and all aftermarket suppliers, discontinued this relay at least 2 years ago. It does not exist in the parts books/databases anywhere (I tried every parts store/chain there is.), and no retail outlet anywhere stocks it. The nearest Ford dealer that still has an old one (NOS?????) in stock is over 100 miles from here, and their price for it is $117.00.:eek: (It's a small, non-rebuildable 20 amp relay with the appropriate connector to the harness. It would fit inside the box a Matchbox car came in.)

I'm now forced to either try and find a used relay in a junkyard, or re-wire the car such that the fan runs on high speed all of the time.

This ancient, exotic car that exists in numbers too small to stock a part so basic to the operation of the car...... a 1996 Ford Escort!:mad:

Pitty the poor guy who tries to authentically restore his favorite Escort to stock condition 10/20/30 years from now.:( I'd much rather be looking for parts for a 1950s car. It is "MUCH" easier already for some items.

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I'd try Mazda, they used the same setup on many of their cars.

You of course know exactly what you're looking for but RockAuto appears to show two completely different radiator fan relays as available.

In any case there's likely a universal relay that'll work. I wouldn't set the fan to run all the time.

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Back in the 70's, I used to say, There no cars that will be collectable,unless it's unique. When the fuel crissis hit everything shrunk. The trend I noticed was pick-up's stayed popular, large and hauling capacity. The auto company's noticed also and started loading them with anything imaginable. And ruined the farm truck market. To bad El Caminos faded away. So my opinion of what would be collectable runs with the pick-up's.

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I'd try Mazda, they used the same setup on many of their cars.

Thanks Roger. I spent 2 hours today touring the biggest U-Pull lot here in Cincinnati. The part my son's car needs turns out to be a 1995/1996 only item for a/c equipped Escorts. If it cross references with any Mazda parts I couldn't find them either physically today or in any book yesterday. I looked in several Mazdas at the U-Pull and couldn't find anything that looked like it.

Out of about 8 Escorts of the right year in the junkyard, 3 still had the relay. I bought all three. At $3 each it wasn't worth going back there again in case the "new" one was bad too. I might also have a bad (high resistance) fan that is causing the relay to blow. (It works fine at the "low speed", but who's to say....?)

It seems I'm not the only one who's run up against this here in Cincinnati.:(

I had a similar issue in 1987 with a 1982 Fairmont dealer-only exhaust part that Ford had run out of nationally. Running the car without it until a new batch could be made killed the engine in a few months. (!t was my PA "state car", and I did what my supervisor told me to do. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:) I never found out if that part ever came in.

Does Ford (& maybe other companies) deliberately short-stock and discontinue early some older parts to discourage vehicle longevity, and therefore encourage new car sales????? :confused::rolleyes: Even if this isn't a deliberate tactic, it certainly bodes ill for finding similar parts for these cars when it comes time to restore them as antiques.

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Dave,

That only seems to happen in the Porsche world, where most parts are factory available. No major manufacturer in the US is interested in the long-term supply end. That's why they license their stuff out to people willing to buy their name.

I stated right from the beginning of this discussion that electronics and electrical will make some cars uncollectible.

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Short stocking (?) isn't limited to cars a few yaers old. That to a mouse, I needed a replacement fuel line for my then nearly new 2007 Chevy HHR, the only place that had one was a dealer in FL, I'm in MN. They said the needed to send it back to the distribution center, and it would have to be sent to my dealer from there.

I had a custom fuel line made at the shop where I take my old cars rather than wait for GM to get the part to me.

I had a similar prissue getting a rear window wiper blade for the car when it was less than a year old.

But I like these cars enough that I bought a 2011 month ago.

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Today I ran into the problem Vern was alluding to.

My son's car is old, but new enough to have an electric coolant fan from the factory. It has 2 relays that operate it, a "low speed relay" operated by the temperature sensor and a "high speed relay" operated by the a/c unit. When the high speed relay is thrown it overrides the low speed sensor, of course.

Well, the high speed relay went bad. Right now the car has no fan to cool the radiator anytime the a/c compressor is running. He can't run his a/c or the defrosters. The car overheats in VERY short order with either one running, unless it is constantly moving, like on an interstate.

Today I shopped for a new relay.

Ford, and all aftermarket suppliers, discontinued this relay at least 2 years ago. It does not exist in the parts books/databases anywhere (I tried every parts store/chain there is.), and no retail outlet anywhere stocks it. The nearest Ford dealer that still has an old one (NOS?????) in stock is over 100 miles from here, and their price for it is $117.00.:eek: (It's a small, non-rebuildable 20 amp relay with the appropriate connector to the harness. It would fit inside the box a Matchbox car came in.)

I'm now forced to either try and find a used relay in a junkyard, or re-wire the car such that the fan runs on high speed all of the time.

This ancient, exotic car that exists in numbers too small to stock a part so basic to the operation of the car...... a 1996 Ford Escort!:mad:

Pitty the poor guy who tries to authentically restore his favorite Escort to stock condition 10/20/30 years from now.:( I'd much rather be looking for parts for a 1950s car. It is "MUCH" easier already for some items.

You could always wire in a toggle switch on the dash that could allow the driver to turn the fan on high when they turn on the AC or defroster..

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You could always wire in a toggle switch on the dash that could allow the driver to turn the fan on high when they turn on the AC or defroster..

How often are you around teenagers?????:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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How often are you around teenagers?????:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I use to be a teenager a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..

Before you ask, it was the Ford Galaxy .......LMAO !!

Edited by Kingoftheroad (see edit history)

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