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Alsancle, I thank you again, I'm so into this project at this point(money and time) I have to make it operate satisfactorily.

A nice day to everyone,

Jay

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The boys were in the Bugatti tonight, Donovan was very careful to the point his mom told him to go faster and you can see Demetri's hands are where he was told him to put them. Once Donovan got comfortable he was "letting it eat" for short bursts. I think I'll have to limit the throttle for less speed. He had a helmet on for a while but he pulled over and took it off.

Jay

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Hello again, I worked on the Bugatti today. I made what I'll call a torque-arm for the steering nut. the steering shaft has a triple lead screw and the nut is only 3/4 inch or 19 mm so there was lots of rocking going on with the nut when turning the steering wheel from one direction to the other creating play in the steering. When we first got the car there was no less than one-half turn of slop in the steering. So I captured the nut within a metal cage with an arm running to a guide tube on the steering shaft, on the table there is very little play in the steering and i hope it will be more drivable. The last trip out I thought Donovan was going to get frustrated trying to keep the car straight. post-39071-14313907344_thumb.jpg

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Is the issue supporting the shaft itself? Such a great job of restoration. Will you be bringing this to an AACA show? I assume it is 25 years old.

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No alsancle, I have the shaft supported at the top with a nylon bushing originally only a leather washer supported it. The problem was the class of fit between the threads in the nut and the shaft. Being it is a triple lead screw there are three individual threads running only 3/4 inch which gives very little stability to the nut so the nut would tip before transferring movement. With the arm attached the nut can't tip eliminating steering play. I haven't decided about showing it as it is a bit of a pain to transport.

Thanks for your interest,

Jay

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Hello everyone, a Baby Bugatti Update, last time out my grandson drove the Bugatti for approx. 45 minutes before it stopped. I had plans on making a strap to keep the motor from rotating due to torque reaction, but did not. Although the strap clamp supplied with the car was still tight the motor managed to rotate enough to cut the power wires to the motor. Shown in the attached photo is the anti-rotation device.

There were some other items that needed addressing so the car came apart again. Work didn't progress too rapidly as I developed a 5mm kidney stone that was uncomfortable at times, it has passed.

I finished assembling the car today and along with my Grandson am anxiously awaiting the next outing. I am hoping I have all bases covered as I want to work on a car I can drive.

A reversing switch for the motor and wiring the amp gauge will wait for winter. The electronic control box in the car has a pilot light lead but puts out 24 volt so I either have to use a 24 volt bulb or drop the voltage to 12 volts, this can also wait for winter.

Good night,

Jay

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Hello all,

The Baby Bugatti Replica is working well. It will run just over an hour on a full charge and hits approx. 10 MPH. Donovan who was 4 in May drives the car with ease, Demetri who will be 2 in November pulls himself forward using the steering wheel in order to reach the throttle and away he goes. We put the car in the middle of the yard (lawn) and with the wheel at full lock he goes around in circles. We have spotters located on the course for emergency steering assist. Taking the key out off the power switch has foiled Demetri from departing on his own, he hasn't quite managed to master the task of inserting the key. Demetri is also crazy about our old cars, the first thing he says when seeing me is "drive it old car"

Have a wonderful day,

Jay

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Baby Bugatti Replica update. This thing has been in our living room for the last month, it's hard to hurt a house that dates to @1830 with hardwood floors, while deciding where to store it for the winter so I decided to do some more wiring. It now has reverse but still no pilot light. While cleaning up and thinking, I do most of that after the fact, I am now worried about shifting while in motion, I had a friend who would torture his torqueflight with reverse to first shifts, so I'm thinking about putting it in, "marche avant" pardon my French, and taking the handle off. Attached are some photos, I did all soldering in the kitchen where it is supposed to be done.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone,

Jay

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Here I am circa 1967. I assume this was probably an original? I think the photo was taken at a show in New Jersey.

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Alsancle, Thanks for posting the Photograph. I wonder when someone first decided to replicate the baby, I have not been very successful in finding information on "Authentic Models" the most likely builders of our car but I was told the Authentic cars were built in the 70's (I don't know if that info is correct).

The boys were driving the Bugatti forward and backward in the living room, about a 20 foot ride, they got a kick out of the reverse feature.

Jay

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The Craven Foundation (CF) in Toronto had a few authentic models. That collect was closed in the 1980's and the model Bugatti's were purchased by someone in France. Sorry I don't have any photos. I do remember the full page ad in Hemings when these models were advertised for sale. I'll likely see the past curator of the CF over the next few weeks and I will ask for some details for you.

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Thanks Mike I would appreciate any information available. We bought our car at an auction house in the coal regions of North East Pennsylvania, there were many unusual, mostly high priced, items scheduled for sale with the Bugatti being the headliner. according to the auctioneer he bought a storage locker from somewhere in New Jersey and stated it was an inheritance gone awry.

Jay

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Hello out there, so far there are over 4000 views on the Baby Bugatti and before someone notices that I spent some time trying to eliminate gear noise on straight cut gears.

A few months ago while lying in bed reflecting I realized thet the car has straight cut gears and eliminating gear noise isn't happening.

The car is ready for another season, I still haven't decided on what to do about the 24 volts feeding the ignition on light but that is something I have to do when the spirit moves me.

Jay

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Hello out there, so far there are over 4000 views on the Baby Bugatti and before someone notices that I spent some time trying to eliminate gear noise on straight cut gears.

A few months ago while lying in bed reflecting I realized thet the car has straight cut gears and eliminating gear noise isn't happening.

The car is ready for another season, I still haven't decided on what to do about the 24 volts feeding the ignition on light but that is something I have to do when the spirit moves me.

Jay

I just purchased a 1927 Baby Bugatti made by Authentic Models. It is brand new with tags, Bugatti emblem in plastic, etc. This thing has never seen the pavement. I'm extremely excited about it and now I'm in the same predicament that you once were in, I want to put a motor in it. My biggest struggle at this point is how to wire the accelerator. Do you have any pictures showing the detailed wiring to the pedal? Any supporting schematics or documentation would be greatly appreciated. I understand you bought the wiring upgrade from a third party company. Thank you very much for your time and I hope this messages reaches you at some point in the near future.

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Adrian, I am curious as to how our cars compare in some of the build details. What is the serial number on your car, the number on our car is stamped on the frame and inside the body in the seat area. Do you know when they were built? The manufacturers name on the tires has been ground off of the tires.

Can you post some photos?

For those reading along I have been corresponding to Adrian about powering the car.

Jay

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The stamp on mine reads BG3040042. I have no idea when these were built. All I have is the certificate of authenticity from Authentic Models. The certificate has their phone number on it so I'll try to call them tomorrow and see what kind of information I can get from them.

As far as the motor, I haven't had much luck in finding the original Scintilla Starter that was used in the '27 Baby Bugatti. I like the idea of using a 12v starter so I'm currently trying to find a newer starter that has the same dimensions as the original. From what I can tell, the motor you used is 4 1/4 wide according to MonsterScooterParts.com. I just want to make sure the gears line up when the motor is strapped to the cradle. Is your motor a 12v or 24v?

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This may be of interest. A baby Bugatti just sold at auction.

A half scale 'Baby' Bugatti Type 52 replica child's car, by Crosthwaite & Gardiner,

hand-built aluminium construction and bodywork finished in blue, chromed radiator and enamel Bugatti badge, fitted with rear-mounted 12-Volt electric motor (requires battery), featuring forward and reverse drive, cast alloy wheels with pneumatic tyres, leather seat, removable bonnet secure with leather straps and spare wheel, stamped '526' behind the seat, measuring 195cm long overall.

Sold for £6,875 (US$ 10,491) inc. premium

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Adrian, The motor I got from Old Foundry Toy Works is, I believe, the same as Monster Scooter Parts motor number MY1020 it is 4 1/4" Diameter and is 24 volts. As supplied from Monster Scooter Parts the motor will have a sprocket, Old Foundry sourced a gear from somewhere I don't know but what they did was to turn the motor shaft down to Approx. 1/4" and the shaft sheared in short order.

The 4 1/4" diameter motor put the drive gear in fairly good mesh with the driven gear but I did use some shim stock between the motor and mount until I was happy with it. You can't get rid of the gear whine as they are straight cut gears.

The gear that was installed on the motor had metric dimensions which might narrow your search for a gear. I think there are normally only two different pitches for gears that are in inch measurements so metric gears may also only have a few different pitches. I don't recall the exact measurements of the drive gear but am fairly sure it has 12 teeth.

If my weld job on the original motor didn't work I was going to get another motor and a sprocket from Monster Scooter Parts and try to fit a sprocket inside the original drive case and use chain drive.

Jay

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alsancle I did a search for Crosthwaite & Gardiner, Wow what a facility, I want to work there. I don't have the time now but I'll have to check out their site closer this evening.

If i would win the powerball lottery do you think they would build me a front drive Miller?

Jay

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The current issue of UK-published Octane magazine (Jan '14, issue #127) has a full article on page 160 about the original Bugatti Bebe and makes mention of several other later makers as well. You may find it interesting.

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Thank you Marrs for the information. I was checking on availability Of "#127 Octane" and will probably eventually find it on Amazon books or similar website. I did find it available from a site that may be from Malaysia "mybooks.my" and I think the price was reasonable, I had to convert RM 25.7 to US dollars which is about $8.00 US which is OK with me but they did not accept or recognize my shipping address.

I'll find it eventually and again thank you for the info.

Jay

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Where the Bugatti is wintering, it turned out OK, the Grandsons have no idea what it is worth and don't care. There is a transition in pavement levels where they usually ride it and they get a little "air".

I had to move things around to make room for the "Commander", I always wanted a Studebaker, a 57 Commander wasn't on the top of the list but I like it.

Happy and Healthy New Year to All,

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Hello here's a Bugatti update, the original front leaf springs gave up at the end of last year,  from the beginning their quality was suspect, late this summer I ordered low-grade spring steel from McMaster Carr and made some new springs.  They aren't chrome plated as original but they have a nice blue tint, and they work, the old springs would sag after a little while so's the frame would be setting on the axle.  They would get rearched by picking the car up and pushing the axle down, .

   The throttle pedal is moved all the way forward and our 8 year old is a little tight, inorder for him to drive it next year the  throttle pedal  would need to be moved up beside the steering linkage, instead we are going to put an older 1/4 midget together for him and the Bugatti can be for the younger youngins.

  I recently saw a few "operating Bugatti replicas" for sale that closely resemble our car.  The prices were quite impressive.

Jay

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