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Holman~Moody Ford 289/302 Race Engine ?

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Does anyone know anything about Ford & Holman~Moody race history and their race-built Ford based 289 & 302 engines ?

They also built Ford 427 side-oiler reace engines.

Holman~Moody supposedly had a special exclusive contract with Ford. Ford was to supply base hi-performance long-block engines to Holman~Moody who would then turn these 289 & later 302 engines into full-worked race engines for auto race teams and powerboat race teams. This is similar to the deal Ford also had with Carroll Shelby.

Both Auto & Marine engines were exactly the same with the exception of the special marine equipment & water-cooled marine exhaust race manifolds.

Cams etc~~~

If I can't find an original Holman~Moody engine I would like to build one with the proper period FORD engine block, heads, and performance equipment.

Since I just started my quest I have little information at hand on these engines.

Does anyone here know anything about Holman~Moody or their racing programs & history ?

Auto or Marine ~~~

I understand almost the exact same engine was used by both auto & speedboat race teams.

What autos would have used a Holman~Moody 289 or 302 ?

Mustang ? Fairlane ?

Has anyone ever seen a Holman~Moody Ford 289/302 ?

or 427 Side-Oiler ?

What are the build specs. on these engines ?

Background:

Two summers ago a buddy found an old Donzi hull in the tall weeds of a Sommer's Point NJ boat-yard.

The yard owner wanted the boat out of his yard & threatened to cut-it-up with a chain-saw !

It had been sitting abandoned & stripped for decades .

I also need to know what sort of Ford 289/302 rebuildable core engine I should be looking for.

Holman~Moody also built Ford 427 side-oiler race engines.

That would also be nice~~~but they seem to be made of un-obtainium and are very pricey $$$ !

The Cobra Kit-Car guys have grabbed almost every one in sight !

These were also what the original 427 Shelby Cobra used !

Any Holman ~Moody Auto & Marine Race history & 289/302 race engine history & information greatly appreciated !

They built many more Ford auto race engines than marine units.

The speedboat & raceboat forums were of little help up to this point so I thought I would post a few questions here for the Forum's Ford racing fans & experts !

Any information & Help greatly appreciated !

Thank's

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font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Holman Moody and Holman Automotive

Shop Address: Holman Automotive Inc.,

9119 Forsyth Park Drive, Charlotte, NC 28273

Mailing Address: Holman Automotive Inc.,

PO Box 669351, Charlotte, NC 28266

Questions or Orders, call (704)583-2888

Ask for Lee Holman as he handled the marine engines back then.

H-M engine numbers ...

Holman Moody - Engine Serial Number - KEY LEGEND

First descriptor is a letter identifying the - BLOCK ID (cubic displacement and type)

A= 427 & 427 SOHC

B=289

C=460

D=302

E=351W

G=494

H=429 HEMI

K=429

M=428

Second descriptor is a number identifying the - YEAR (of production)

7=67

8=68

9=69

0=70

1=71

2=72

3=73

4=74

5=75

Third & fourth descriptors are letters identifying the - BUILDER (marine grade assembler/tuner)

HM= HOLMAN MOODY

Fifth through Eighth descriptors are numbers identifying the - SERIAL NUMBER (production number in that block size)

XXXX -PRODUCTION NUMBER

Ninth descriptor is a number identifying the - ROTATION (crank rotation)

1= LEFT HAND

2= RIGHT HAND

Tenth & eleventh descriptors are letters identifying the - COOLING (the cooling fluid set-up)

RW=RAW WATER

FW=FRESH WATER

The last descriptor(s) are letter(s) identifying the - DRIVE (system the engine is connected to)

I/O= INBOARD OUTBOARD

T= 12 DEGREE V-DRIVE

Z= 0 DEGREE V-DRIVE

E9 HM 4127-1- R/W I/O

E= 351 block

9 = 1969

HM= HOLMAN MOODY

4127= block production number

1= LEFT HAND ROTATION

R/W= RAW WATER COOLED

I/O = OUTDRIVE

Please post some pictures of your Donzi.

Regards,

Donzi 68 :)

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Assuming you have the original H-M data plate as indicated, you decipher the engine configuration that was put into this Donzi. There are a number of differences between the H-M auto race engines and those put into marine applications. Some of which were dependent on whether the engine will be cooled with sea (salt) water or fresh (lake) water. But regardless of where it was designed to be used, all H-M marine engines had brass casting (freeze) plugs, stiffer valve springs and a higher rated fuel pump. Boat applications ... especially race boat applications, are run at a higher range of RPM for a significantly longer period of time than any other application.

If you are looking for an original H-M marine engine, let me know; I 'may be able' to help. If you are looking for an alternative power plant, the key will be in matching the engine with whatever running gear you 1) have left, or 2) can get to match the hull.

Post some pictures and some dimensions and I will try to offer some suggestions as time permits. ;)

68 Donzi

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I also have in my possession a bell housing with a "Holman and Moody" nameplate. The housing is blue and it also has HM in raised letters that are red and white. It also has what I think is a 65 Mustang (starts with C5) part number but it is clearly a marine unit,it is too small for a car. I think it is just a straight- thru or in and out.That would explain why the guy left the bell housing when he took the engine out of Brad's boat. The sad thing is I took this off a complete engine in a scrap yard a few years ago only because of the HM tag. I also took the intake manifold, a 4-barrel edelbrock "Torker"which has the carb on a slight angle.The rest of the engine had some damage but I would have took it all if I knew. I think Mustang was the pace car in 64 and Holman and Moody was commishioned to make a high po model that led to the K model, 271 HP.

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If I get this wrong it's because it's been 30 years since I needed to know this. If memory serves me correctly 1965 289's had a 5 bolt bellhousing and the later ones had 6 bolt bell housing so you might need to be aware of the exact change date and how it pertains to your restoration. Good luck on your restoration.

Howard Dennis

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Minor technicality but "Raw Water" cooling in a boat means water is pumped thru the cooling system from whatever body of water the boat sails in on a continuous basis. "Fresh Water" cooling refers to a closed cooling system with a closed heat exchange unit where the water circulating thru the engine never actually contacts the sea water pumped thru the exchanger. Has nothing to do with fresh water (non salt) or salt water usage.

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Minor technicality but "Raw Water" cooling in a boat means water is pumped thru the cooling system from whatever body of water the boat sails in on a continuous basis. "Fresh Water" cooling refers to a closed cooling system with a closed heat exchange unit where the water circulating thru the engine never actually contacts the sea water pumped thru the exchanger. Has nothing to do with fresh water (non salt) or salt water usage.

Exactly! The reason for "raw water" cooling systems have only to do with space, air flow, and noise. "Raw Water" systems require less space and no air flow. They also reduce on board weight by several pounds, which reduces draft and attack angle of the hull. Most any boat large enough to have an engine room has a cooling system that is closed and a ventilation method to properly exchange heat from a radiator. "Raw Water" cooling is like running a sand blaster on all components in the cooling system, even when in a lake or river. I don't need to mention the affects of salt added to all the crap in sea water.

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Tenth & eleventh descriptors are letters identifying the - COOLING (the cooling fluid set-up)

RW=RAW WATER

FW=FRESH WATER

Yep... RW indicates that the water that is cooling the engine comes directly from whatever the craft happens to be on at that moment. FW indicates that some method of intercooling or radiator system is being employed. It is a closed system.

Assuming you have the original H-M data plate as indicated, you decipher the engine configuration that was put into this Donzi. There are a number of differences between the H-M auto race engines and those put into marine applications. Some of which were dependent on whether the engine will be cooled with sea (salt) water or fresh (lake) water.

Yep again ... Boats designed for lake use 'only' are typically designed with raw-water cooling systems, while boats designed for salt water 'only?' can be designed with either an open system (which allows salt water into the engine and exhaust systems) or a closed system (which by its design keeps salt water out of the engine), depending on application.

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Although there are number of issues (including to a great degree ... cost), one of the most significant reasons to have a closed system, pertains to the corrosion effect that salt water has on 'everything' it comes in contact with. After use flushing aside, salt water is tough on the overall longevity of any craft.

As an example, Holman-Moody makes a great set of exhaust manifolds for the Donzi, but salt water kills them over time.

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An interesting aside....The original Holman-Moody shop was an old aircraft hanger at Charlotte Douglas Airport (CLT). When HM was ready to test a race car, they called the tower and received clearance to do test runs on the runway. This was in the '50's.

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Although there are number of issues (including to a great degree ... cost), one of the most significant reasons to have a closed system, pertains to the corrosion effect that salt water has on 'everything' it comes in contact with. After use flushing aside, salt water is tough on the overall longevity of any craft.

As an example, Holman-Moody makes a great set of exhaust manifolds for the Donzi, but salt water kills them over time.

Salt water eventually kills everything it comes into contact with, just ask the Navy and they go to great lengths to insure longevity of use. Far beyond what any consumer would be willing to pay for, even someone with enough bucks to buy the most expensive Cigarette Class on the market.

Flushing, washing, and cathodic protection slows it down a bit, but eventually salt just tends to migrate everywhere you don't want it and the subsequent oxidation just eats everything.

Jim

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Hey Jim,

You are absolutely right. A U.S. Navy Commander once told a group of us as we were admiring his ship; "The only thing in the ocean, natural or man-made, that the ocean's salt water does not effect is ... well ... salt." (I hope I quoted him right ... it's been about thirty years since then) And although we all laughed just after his jest, it is true ... salt kills everything.

While I enjoy my fishing excursions in the gulf, and my dive and snorkel trips, my Donzi stays in fresh water.

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Hey, has anybody ever heard of a' Winner Wildcat' boat? with a Holman-Moody 289 and a HM stern drive? I have one here in the Midwest and would like to get more info on it, like production numbers, power output, and what is it worth? Any help? Thanks! Larry

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About a month and 1/2 ago Speed channel did a whole episode on Holman~Moody and their connection to Ford and NASCAR.;)

D.

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Hey, has anybody ever heard of a' Winner Wildcat' boat? with a Holman-Moody 289 and a HM stern drive? I have one here in the Midwest and would like to get more info on it, like production numbers, power output, and what is it worth? Any help? Thanks! Larry

Go back to the beginning of this thread and about 3 or 4 posts down there is a listing of all the contact numbers at H-M. Always best to go directly to the folks that should really know.

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