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Selling a Mercedes 380K rear axle and searching a 540 engine / manuals for the Mercedes G4 and 3,2 L Kübelsitzwagen.

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17 hours ago, Hexa3 said:

Selling a Mercedes 380K rear axle and searching a 540 engine / manuals for the Mercedes G4 and 3,2 L Kübelsitzwagen.

Hello. Do you have only one thing from MB 380? 

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Things have been a little too quiet around here lately.   Has this been posted yet?   A 320 Cab A Lang.   Very attractive body and the same wheelbase as a 540k.

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I disagree....it’s NOT a 320........it’s a 290. I just found one a few weeks ago..........down south. Needs everything. 

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I can't tell you how sad it makes me that Ed has to point out the obvious.  I was thinking about what the visual differences were between the 290 and the 320,   top of the front fenders are a little different?  Anything else so I don't do that again?

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Hi all,

 

I am a new member here and would like some information on some 540k bright work. One wheel is missing the star. Are there any suppliers for these or leads for new ones?

I have had hardware and bright work cast and plated in the past but I want to see if anyone has leads before I go thorough this process.

 

Thank you,

 

RG

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/3/2019 at 8:12 AM, alsancle said:

I can't tell you how sad it makes me that Ed has to point out the obvious.  I was thinking about what the visual differences were between the 290 and the 320,   top of the front fenders are a little different?  Anything else so I don't do that again?

 

Since I know the car, the owner, and the shop that did it........it was an unfair advantage.........even with the plate on the front of the car. There is a similar car sitting in a garage about a mile from me here in Palm Beach........just an old used car. It was for sale about a month ago, bit I didn't ask for a price. It looked like 500k would spruce it up and make it go down the road. 

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A 320 is an expensive restoration project.  Not as bad as a 500k/540k because the mechanics are simple but everything else is just as expensive.

 

 

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6 hours ago, alsancle said:

A 320 is an expensive restoration project.  Not as bad as a 500k/540k because the mechanics are simple but everything else is just as expensive.

 

 


The only cheap thing on a Mercedes is the owner! They are wonderful and very complicated cars.......a real handful......and beyond the ability of most collectors to deal with. Even into the 50’s there was a lot of hand work in building them.

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I would bet a weeks pay it’s in a collection out west.......along with one or two others. Not for sure.....just a guess.

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9 hours ago, edinmass said:

I would bet a weeks pay it’s in a collection out west.......along with one or two others. Not for sure.....just a guess.

 

What is the clue,  where the auction description says "part of a Nebraska collection"?  Heheheheh.

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I checked my sources.....the car isn't at the collection I thought it was at. (Marin county, California)  For any great car, when you need information, there is always one or two individuals who have the true background on each individual manufacture. I'm a Pierce Arrow guy.......and I get and am able to answer the majority of the questions put to me. When it comes to the super exotic pre war mega dollar stuff.....there's  just one go to guy in the field.............no questions asked........See the photo below for his contact info. He not only knows all pre war mega cars like no one else.....he's a 540K guy at heart. I have done business with him, and his results are nothing short of astonishing..............and I have been at this for fifty years. Good luck in your quest, and tell him I sent you to him. Best, Ed.

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RM has their catalog pictures up for the coupe we discussion previously.   Originally a Cab A updated to a coupe in the early 50s by an established coachbuilder.   Very interesting and cool car which should bring a significant premium over the sidemount (deleted) Cab A that Gooding sold this summer.

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lots/r0047-1937-mercedes-benz-540-k-coupe/836179

 

 

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On 2/2/2014 at 9:58 PM, Bill K. said:

This is from the 1979 Schrader book. I like this 1950 car. I wonder what the original body was on this chassis. I wonder what the chassis number is.

I apologize for lack of quality; my scanner is small and stinks!

 

I don't think Bill has been on the forum in a long time,  but the car he was asking about is 154143,  the Hebmuller coupe we are discussing.

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I’m about as far down the food chain as you can be on a Mercedes 540, that being said, car looks great, and has not been seen in years, all big positives for the sale. My one question is if/how much the POST WAR modifications effect value and desirability. I would think some people would just walk away due to the timing of the changes. Trying to apply this car to the standard 540 marketplace may not make sense. It sure has enough eyeball to exceed the high estimate. It will be fun to watch it hammer at the sale.

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4 hours ago, edinmass said:

I’m about as far down the food chain as you can be

 

Agreed Eddy,  but your analysis is spot on.   My feeling is that as an unmolested Cab A in similar condition it would bring more money,  but at this point the best value proposition is leaving it as is,  or restoring it back to its 1950 configuration (no sunroof and black).   Going all the way back would be the usual black hole of money and the car would always have the "story" attached to it.

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23 hours ago, alsancle said:

RM has their catalog pictures up for the coupe we discussion previously.   Originally a Cab A updated to a coupe in the early 50s by an established coachbuilder.   Very interesting and cool car which should bring a significant premium over the sidemount (deleted) Cab A that Gooding sold this summer.

 

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lots/r0047-1937-mercedes-benz-540-k-coupe/836179

 

 

 

One of those links suggested the body work was done "in period." Is 14 years what concours consider in period? I thought it was 10.

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1 hour ago, 540K said:

One of those links suggested the body work was done "in period." Is 14 years what concours consider in period? I thought it was 10.


I think it would be a welcome inclusion anywhere.

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6 hours ago, 540K said:

One of those links suggested the body work was done "in period." Is 14 years what concours consider in period? I thought it was 10.


 

For most collectors any modification after the war started, or done by anyone other than the original owner and coach builder can or might be an issue.  Styling updates were common on very expensive cars, so changes are not uncommon. Weather the work is done well and tasteful is another issue. I’m not familiar with this car, or the coach builder. It looks nice........the market will decide if the changes are a plus or minus. It’s a rare car.........and has good eyeball, so it might do well.

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