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35 minutes ago, tilomagnet said:

Wow, this looks fantastic. I like the subtle 2 tone scheme. Where is this car today? I think the FL car museum where it once was decades ago has been defunct.

 

Last sighting was a large private collection in the US.

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The hub looks correct. Could just be a new manufacture wheel that wasn't drilled for wheel weights. If you look at Wagner's catalog photo, it's not drilled for weights either. However, unless my eyes are crossing, this has too many spokes. Looks like 84 and should be 70. I think there were 3 different rims for the 500/540 K, but I don't know if any had 84 spokes. Jim might know.

 

I thought once they got too many spokes on it the weights wouldn't fit, but the "front" set of spokes is the correct number (28), so unless the wheel is too small, the weights could be added. Of course, you'd want to have drilled it before plating.

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The only thing the seller offered was that "it came off a 540 K."  My car came with wheels that fit on the hubs, but they were only 50-spoke wheels. Never did figure out what those came off of, but even though they fit a 500/540 K, they weren't correct.

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Hi one and all, I have recently finished researching a book on the 1927 - 1933 S - SSK/L types. While I have readily been able to research the British domiciled examples, the US cars have not always been so easy. I am happy to post abridged descriptions of what I have on the US cars and all I ask for is feedback, memories or any other input, critical or not. And if you love it I can always post about the Euro cars too...... I make zero claim to image copyright and where known will try and give, if you know the image owner please correct. 

 

#35203

Engine: ?         Komm: 33677                    Reg: IIIA8557>NR EK 7H

History
Nurburgring opening race ‘27 Caracciola, German GP ‘27 #4 Caracciola DNF, unknown, Kilgore Grant, USA, unknown, Kern family ‘90s, Etienne Veen?

 

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#35205

 

1927 S-Type Sindelfingen Rennwagen

Engine: 50407 Komm: 33679 Reg: IIIA8559

 

1927 German GP winner with Merz at the wheel, possibly also driven at Solitude and Freiburg. Shipped to the USA '27, eventually delivered to Mr. Baldwin, CA in 1928. Then on to Robert Day in the '30s, Pierce Carlson had it in the fifties (who fitted a Buick rear end), Fred Torsen and finally Clinton Bayard Sheldon who fitted it with a Packard rear end. Sheldon kept the car for 20+ years before sale to Ben Paul Moser who intended to keep it but ran out of money and sold it to Fred Simeone in 1975. It remains as one of the star attractions in the Simeone Foundation in PA.

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#35213

 

1927 S-Type Sindelfingen Rennwagen>SS-Type Armbruster Tourer

Engine: 60420   Komm: 335548? Reg: IA5196>IA19112>AC4543

History

#35213 was built for Prince Karl of Hohenlohe-Bartenstein as a Rennwagen. Prince Karl raced the car with some success and it was upgraded to SS-Type spec in 1928. It was later sold to Erich Spandel and continued to race until 1931 when sold to Austrian violinist Váša Přihoda. It was soon rebodied by Armbruster and sold to Czechoslovakia where it had several owners before a quick series of sales to the USA and Germany in the 1970s. Finally the car settled in the USA where it was sold to Arturo Keller and restored to perfection.

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#35218

 

1927 S-Type Sindelfingen Sportwagen

Engine: 60424   Komm: 34321 Reg: ?

 

Believed delivered to William Sloane of Rochester, New York, a member of the wealthy W&J Sloane family of furniture fame. Its unclear what became of it but Allston Boyer managed to buy the fine S-Type in the post war era. Austin L. Smithers acquired the S-Type in the late 1950s and it ended up with David Tunick in the 1960s who passed it to Henry Petronis. 40 years later Petronis sold the car at Gooding Pebble Beach in 2011 where it fetched $5.04 mil.image.png.a52877a2c22de7027e6c41e8120b288c.pngimage.png.7dea86b29d7f53e33ac6c8af96e7ffdb.png

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#35222

 

1927 S-Type

Engine: 60404   Komm: 917240 Reg: SV6198>6Z7819

History

#35222 was sold to Richard Klinger AG in Berlin, James Barry, a East Hamptons native found it in 1931 andhad it rebuilt by Voll & Ruhrbeck to his personal tastes. It eventually returned to the USA with the Barrys and was gifted to leading cartoonist Charles Addams in 1949. Addams used the car widely including racing it at Watkins Glen in 1948 and Bridgehampton in 1951. Mark Tutti bought the car in 1960 and it disappeared before Robert Day found it in 1968 and soon sold it to John Calley. Phil Hills Hill & Vaughan restored it to its original form in the 1970s before it sold to the Hayashi collection in 1978 and shipped to Japan. It passed then to F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone in the 1990s and was almost instantly sold at Brooks Stutgart to a Dutch collector before selling to Switzerland in 2013.

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8 hours ago, Timmmy22 said:

#35213

 

1927 S-Type Sindelfingen Rennwagen>SS-Type Armbruster Tourer

Engine: 60420   Komm: 335548? Reg: IA5196>IA19112>AC4543

History

#35213 was built for Prince Karl of Hohenlohe-Bartenstein as a Rennwagen. Prince Karl raced the car with some success and it was upgraded to SS-Type spec in 1928. It was later sold to Erich Spandel and continued to race until 1931 when sold to Austrian violinist Váša Přihoda. It was soon rebodied by Armbruster and sold to Czechoslovakia where it had several owners before a quick series of sales to the USA and Germany in the 1970s. Finally the car settled in the USA where it was sold to Arturo Keller and restored to perfection.

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My favorite car of all time. Thanks for posting.

 

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#35253

 

1928 S-Type DHC>SSK Erdmann & Rossi DHC

Engine: ?  Komm: ? Reg: DA ER 21H

 

History

#35253 was built for Ernst Röchling, a German steel magnate from the Saar region. It soon passed on to a Count who is supposed to have had it rebuilt as a SSK by Mercedes Benz and rebodied by Erdmann & Rossi. The story is that it was taken to the USA as war booty by a GI and stored for decades before it was rediscovered and sold to Hans Maag. Post restoration it was shown at Schloss Dyck in 2013 and then sold via Thomas Hamann to an unknown US owner who showed it at the Las Vegas Concours in 2019. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes.

 

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#35311

 

1927 S-Type Gangloff Tourer

Engine: #66512?   Komm: ? Reg: GO2041?

History

#35311 is a very interesting car believed to be a one off Gangloff of Switzerland bodied S-Type famously known to have been delivered to Greece for a member of the Malaxas (alcohol) family. It also appears in Frosticks famous list as being sold through M-B UK to Fishwick and noted as being a 1927 delivery but his list isn't exact so it might have been sold to Fishwick at any point. Either way it was a RHD car in 1950s pictures when it was owned by four different owners and supposedly restored before sale to a RB Loucks in Chicago. It was owned by Owen Owens in the 1970s and won Pebble Beach Best of Show in 1972. A LHD Gangloff car is today owned by the Keller Collection so when and why and if it was converted from RHD to LHD is unknown, does anyone know more?

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#35313

 

1928 S-Type Murphy Roadster

Engine: 66513   Komm: 37190 Reg: BC-1147>LZV 633

History

#35313 was a bare S-Type chassis was delivered via Mercedes Benz New York to Albert K Isham in California, USA in 1927. Isham had it bodied by Murphy of Pasadena as you would when you are a wealthy playboy. Isham lived fast and died young, aged just 38 and the car was sold to the Marx brothers, not the communists either, and Zeppo decided to have a race with their manager Phil Berg at Muroc Dry lakes to settle a bet which eventually hit $10,000 or even $25,000. Clark Gable, Gary Cooper, Al Jolson, Carole Lombard and Mae West all turned out to watch and two race car drivers were entered in stripped race cars, the Duesenberg winning. The unloved Mercedes was finally sold post war and floated around California used car lots until the 1950s and disappeared until discovery in the 1980s and must have been stored since it was in original if tired nick. Gooding Pebble Beach sold it in 2009 for $3.74 million to John Rich and it was restored to Isham form by DL George. A spectacular S-Type.

 

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#35316

 

1928 S-Type Tourenwagen

Engine:?    Komm:?  Reg:?

History

The only history I have of #35316 is ex Clifford “Jay” Lockrow and EO Macfarlane and later sold to Charles Howard sold the car in the 1970s.

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#35323

 

1928 S-Type Erdmann & Rossi Sports Tourer

Engine: 66540   Komm: 37831 Reg: AL-41-89>AL-90-64>68 S

History

#35323 was built for an unknown American client and delivered with Erdmann & Rossi Sports Tourer coachwork already fitted. It was later discovered by H. Edward White and sold to Ben Paul Moser and eventually passed to Ed Swearingen in Texas. Later owners in Germany before sale at Bonhams Scottsdale in 2017 for $4.8 million.

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1 hour ago, Timmmy22 said:

#35253

 

1928 S-Type DHC>SSK Erdmann & Rossi DHC

Engine: ?  Komm: ? Reg: DA ER 21H

 

History

#35253 was built for Ernst Röchling, a German steel magnate from the Saar region. It soon passed on to a Count who is supposed to have had it rebuilt as a SSK by Mercedes Benz and rebodied by Erdmann & Rossi. The story is that it was taken to the USA as war booty by a GI and stored for decades before it was rediscovered and sold to Hans Maag. Post restoration it was shown at Schloss Dyck in 2013 and then sold via Thomas Hamann to an unknown US owner who showed it at the Las Vegas Concours in 2019. Lots of ifs, buts and maybes.

 

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Do you know if there are any "as found" pictures of the car, or post WWII photos of it?   I believe it is pictured in the E&R book.

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:

 

Do you know if there are any "as found" pictures of the car, or post WWII photos of it?   I believe it is pictured in the E&R book.

I don't have the book but would love to see a scan. I frankly have some doubts about the story, seems a little contrived but could be true. Far too many S-SSK/L Types were "discovered" by the major German collectors in the 1980s using modern Bauer made chassis frames. Not saying that happened here but worth being aware of.

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#35325

 

1928 S-Type Sindelfingen Sport/4 > Corsica DHC > SSK-Type Rennwagen Rep.

Engine: #78758 > #66533   Komm: #45 Reg: ALB 804 > MG-1 IH

History

#35325 was a standard Sport/4 delivered to a Major Smith in the UK. It was later fitted with a diesel engine, passing through the trade for over a decade and receiving Corsica coachwork. It was sold in this form to Ray Jones and was rebuilt as a SSK before sale to Germany. This SSK-Type was then offered many times in the late 1990s and 2000s but remains in Germany. image.png.2b251d5432f5fd9b9f432510bb6fd2b4.pngimage.png.2da48b849db097c48e84dc2028469288.png

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#35327

 

1928 S-Type Saoutchik Cannes Roadster

Engine: 66541   Komm: 38512 Reg:

 

This was a little known Saoutchik Cannes Roadster delivered to William Durant (1861-1947), of GM fame. Its later believed to have passed via Alvin Storey and L. Hitz before sale at Christies Beaulieu in 1988. Any further information would be gladly accepted.

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#35336

 

1928 S-Type Fleetwood Tourer

Engine:    Komm: 66542 Reg:

History

#35336 is a Fleetwood Tourer owned by a Florida, USA collection displayed at Schloss Dyck in ‘18image.png.3e2360466a473ee73760154792cd9335.png

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#35342

 

1928 SS-Type>SSK-Type Rennwagen replica

Engine:   Komm: Reg:

History

#35342 is another car with little history. It was a US delivery via Mercedes-Benz NY to Mr. Cobb Darien although any further history is unknown.  It was restored and upgraded to SSK spec in the 1970s and then sold by the restorer via Christies Pebble Beach in 1990 where it fetched $990kimage.png.44921f8826c5638c1d006d57ab5f2c98.png

 

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#35350

 

1928 S-Type

Engine:   Komm: Reg: YW3470

History

Delivered to Capt. Kruse. Capt. Kruse in the UK. It later passed through the trade in the 1950s and eventually sold to the Vintage Car Store in 1960. I have no further information but should still be in the USA. image.png.c4f1d655d6beb66d6b43e7e02b8eb78f.png

 

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#35903

 

1928 S-Type Saoutchik Tourer

Engine: #68659   Komm: Reg:

History

#35903 was built for the Vicomte (Vicome?) de Rivard of Paris, France. It was sold to the USA where it had just one owner for five decades. Most recently it has been owned by Howard Farfard in the USA. Fafard (1940 - 2021), a Massachusetts native and his wife became property developers in the 1980s and made enough money that they could indulge in their passions for fine Mercedes and this car was acquired in the 2000s.  If anyone knows its US ownership history I would be grateful for the information. image.png.c37401273b907528023ef19aab857a5a.png

 

 

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#35908

 

1928 S-Type > SSK-Type Rennwagen

Engine:  #68662   Komm: Reg: NJ6004>XV7730
 

History

And now things get really complicated. #35908 was built for Nina Mdvani, a Georgian socialite and serial marrier of celebrities, then married to Denis Conan-Doyle. Its unclear who actually got the car but the Conan-Doyles supposedly met von Oertzen, the Mercedes-Benz CEO, and he agreed to supply a new SSK-Type chassis in 1934/5 and the car was rebuilt around it. The Conan-Doyles are supposed to have raced it widely and it was sold in the late 1940s to the USA where it was owned by Mallay, Kennedy and Edward Trager. The car ended up with Lee Gohlike who is said to have only lightly modified it. It was soon sold to Germany and then on to Fred Simeone in the USA before seizure by Gohlikes bank before sale to Switzerland and finally Peter Agg in the UK who had it restored. Brooks offered this car at their 1996 Stuttgart auction and it sold to Germany soon after.image.png.a4768165ba64b73bd854a92dd6e9555e.png

 

 

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I see the dreaded "Ray Jones" reference in some of these histories.   When your ownership history report comes back on your 4 million dollar MB and you see good ole Ray's name your car just lost 40% of its value.

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I know of one that appeared out of the mist in the green mountains of New England back in the 80s. Rumor has it that it’s been done over a few times, I have no clue where it ended up. 

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On 7/23/2021 at 11:23 AM, edinmass said:

I know of one that appeared out of the mist in the green mountains of New England back in the 80s. Rumor has it that it’s been done over a few times, I have no clue where it ended up. 

I would love to know more information, see any pictures. Very interesting 

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#35920

 

1928 S-Type Buhne Tourer

Engine: #68674   Komm: #39901 Reg: BYM244>9-449

History

#35920 was delivered to Louis Delling/ Prince Hohenzollern in Dresden and he commissioned Glaser for coachwork in 1928. Its unclear what happened to the car but British dealer Bunty Scott-Moncrieff found it in 1935 and sold her to Peter F. Whalley in 1938. The car passed through various hands in the post war market for as low as 395 pounds. The car eventually sold to a Walter Stocklin in Maryland in 1954 and shortly afterwards to Leo Pavelle of the Pavelle film developing process fame before finally passing to Ed Jurist in 1970. John Riegel of the du Pont and Riegel fortunes found the car there in 1970 and bought her. After several decades of ownership DL George restored the S-Type while retaining its originality and finally in 2017 the family offered the car at Gooding Pebble Beach where they refused $5 million for it. Soon after the car returned to DL George and was refurbished in Black and in August 2021 will be a star at Bonhams Quail Lodge sale, estimated at $3 - 4 million. image.png.2e0a51ab16cbe5347c6ce26c4c52c45f.pngimage.png.dc65e0c33dc8556d95cafb86b65356f7.png

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#35937

 

1928 SS-Type Tourenwagen > Erdmann & Rossi Tourer? > SSK-Type Rennwagen Rep.

Engine:   Komm: Reg: IIIA 12934>?

History

This is believed to have been an experimental SS-Type built on a S-Type chassis for the Nurburgring '28 where Walb and Werner finished 3rd, it was then sold to Willie Rosenstein and used widely in hillclimbs and road races with some success through 1930. Apparently this car was then used by Manfred von Brautisch in '31 and seized by the Nazis before passing to Andrei Fritsch in Argentina. Luis Brosutti raced the car for Fritsch and continued to race it through 1954. An Argentine dealer found the remains in the '60s and restored it as a SSK-Type and sold it to Terry Bennett who offered the car at auction in 1991 where it sold with two other Mercedes for $2 million. The buyer never paid and while the car was still in Bennetts garage a clothes drier malfunctioned and the SS-Type was burnt badly. The remains passed to Markus Kern and then to Alfred Richter in 2003 who claims it is a legitimate SS/SSK-Type but I wouldn't want to make any judgements on that.

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#35939

 

1928 S-Type Tourenwagen

Engine:   Komm: #46901 Reg: DKFL8H > L-IP 1928

History

An Unknown Tourer, possibly by Erdmann & Rossi, with Friedhelm Loh in the ‘00s and then with Keller in California. image.png.ff35289f6a0b45b4d37210bffb1d31fc.png

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#35942

 

1928 S-Type Saoutchik Cannes Roadster

Engine:   Komm: #42079 Reg: BF5153

History

#35942 was delivered to a Cobb in New York, USA and was later shipped to the UK where it was stored until ‘63?, via Sothebys ‘80s, Sold $680k, via Axel Schuette ‘10s, shown at Retromobile ‘10s, to Uwe Schuler.image.png.18a75cbb4b29e84e776b131737fd1894.png

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