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On 12/29/2020 at 9:01 PM, Tph479 said:

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I used to like the stone guards on these cars, but I have changed my mind. My restorer asked me, "Why would you want to obscure that beautiful radiator?" For some reason, the more I look at the stone guard, the more it looks "military" to me.

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7 minutes ago, 540K said:

I used to like the stone guards on these cars, but I have changed my mind. My restorer asked me, "Why would you want to obscure that beautiful radiator?" For some reason, the more I look at the stone guard, the more it looks "military" to me.

 

The stone guard is the first tip off that the car needs a 75k radiator.

 

And yes, this is definitely a first series special roadster.

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30 minutes ago, alsancle said:

This dude is the spitting image of Hugh Grant, except with a German accent.   Very nice Cab B that Car Gold has been trying to sell for a while.

 

 

I think lady 3 years they trying to sale her.

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Agree with both of you.  They should drive the car in the video also.     Trying to sell a Cab "B" or "C" these days is not easy.    The Hebmuller bringing 9 something hammer pre-coronoa tells you everything you need to know about the 500/540k market.

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The Melton Cab A is for sale again.  Interesting car.  Pebble Beach BOS.   One off.   etc.    They have put tires on it since RM offered at Amelia way back when.  It is a Tom Barrett respray from the 80s on top of the original Pebble restoration.   Cool, but needing quite a bit of refreshing.   To translate to the uninitiated,  "refreshing" a 540k means $400,000.   Full restoration is probably at least double these days.

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26617/lot/126/

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On 1/5/2021 at 12:49 PM, tilomagnet said:

Anyone knows what they are asking? What is a realistic price to move this today? $600k ?

Price is 1.8 mln Euros. It’s listed on mobile.de.

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600 is too low............I don’t know these cars......but it’s too special, and provenance means something and BOS at Pebble is a plus. 

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22 minutes ago, edinmass said:

600 is too low............I don’t know these cars......but it’s too special, and provenance means something and BOS at Pebble is a plus. 


Ed, they are talking about the Cab B for 600.   The last time the Melton car was for sale they wanted north of 2 BIG ones.

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1 hour ago, alsancle said:


Ed, they are talking about the Cab B for 600.   The last time the Melton car was for sale they wanted north of 2 BIG ones.


 

That makes much more sense.................I would have expected a number in the two’s. 👍

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On 1/10/2021 at 6:55 PM, alsancle said:

The Melton Cab A is for sale again.  Interesting car.  Pebble Beach BOS.   One off.   etc.    They have put tires on it since RM offered at Amelia way back when.  It is a Tom Barrett respray from the 80s on top of the original Pebble restoration.   Cool, but needing quite a bit of refreshing.   To translate to the uninitiated,  "refreshing" a 540k means $400,000.   Full restoration is probably at least double these days.

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26617/lot/126/

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Looks like No Sale again.

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27 minutes ago, 540K said:

Looks like No Sale again.


Very interesting car but it has issues that keep it from bringing big money.  Number one issue is that it feels like a Cab C even though it is called an A.

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Does anyone know out of the small amount of units sold ("A" or "B") what were the color schemes? Or if not known does anyone have an educated guess as to the various color schemes? My preference is black and not red. Yet, I am curious what the preference was back in the days when these magnificent vehicles were manufactured. 

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54 minutes ago, BucketofBolts said:

Does anyone know out of the small amount of units sold ("A" or "B") what were the color schemes? Or if not known does anyone have an educated guess as to the various color schemes? My preference is black and not red. Yet, I am curious what the preference was back in the days when these magnificent vehicles were manufactured. 

 

There is a set of factory color schemes outlined in one of Melin's books.    Most of the cars were not bright colors.   A lot of Gray and Black.

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Echoing AJ's post. Page 24 of Melin vol 1. Twenty-six duo tone, twenty-five single color are listed as known examples with the important caveat, "there were no set colour schemes." These were custom cars - the client could get any color they wanted. Putting aside the question of an individual car's original color, there is no "incorrect" color, only incorrect types of paint. For example, the flake they were using then was ground fish scales, not metal, and the media was so fine that it was very subtle. One color was actually called "fish-silver," which is how my car left the factory. While there are a lot of black/grey combos and solids in Melin's list, you could get different shades of blue, green, yellow, red, white/off-whites, silver, burgundy/maroon, etc.

 

My car is now burgundy, a vast improvement, imo. To each his own, but I would never order a black or fire-engine red car (what I have always called slut-red), understanding of course there are some sports cars that look great in bright red or black. I just don't want one. Every black, bright red, white and silver car on the planet could vanish along with almost every American car since 1978 and I'd be perfectly happy.

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My car was originally Black with black boot, red interior and red wheels.   You would think it was ordered by a hot rodder.   My dad's car was originally black fenders, gray body, gray interior and tan boot.

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Anybody else notice this SS?

 

https://www.prewarcar.com/319794-mercedes-benz-ss-710-roadster-1929

 

Original SS 710 Roadster from 1929

W06 

 

Matching Numbers Car

Blue Chip Car.

Car is in many books, also in very well known  „ mighty Mercedes“ with all Numbers and Pictures. 

Mille Miglia Car. 

Concours Condition.

Details an technical report on Request.

Car is located in Germany.

Buyers are welcome. 

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Here are some great photos of a Longtail 540K Special Roadster in its final design with the covered spare. Probably built in 1938, the photos were apparently taken in Bucharest, Romania just before WW2. Anybody know the S/N and if the car has survived?

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What's up pre war mercedes crowd. Ive got a question for you. I have a 1934 w18 290 type c and I need to know where all I can find a vin or identification number of any kind on it. Thanks for any help

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5 hours ago, tilomagnet said:

Here are some great photos of a Longtail 540K Special Roadster in its final design with the covered spare. Probably built in 1938, the photos were apparently taken in Bucharest, Romania just before WW2. Anybody know the S/N and if the car has survived?

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Is that the ultimate 540k special roadster?   Long tail covered spare?

 

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 7:48 PM, Cadillac Fan said:

 

 

Sold by H&H in 2006 for $414,600.   Attractive car but non Sindelfingen body with RHD is not going to bring lots of money.

 

Btw,  the car is a convertible victoria,  not sure how RM feels they can call it a roadster.  How many seats do we see in the overhead shot?

 

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On 4/8/2021 at 11:25 AM, tilomagnet said:

Here are some great photos of a Longtail 540K Special Roadster in its final design with the covered spare. Probably built in 1938, the photos were apparently taken in Bucharest, Romania just before WW2. Anybody know the S/N and if the car has survived?

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Not known to survive. Car could be as early as 1936, probably 1937. Photo was 1939 and is my favorite of all 500 K and 540 K photos ever taken. Obviously drawing stares and admiration befitting such a rare (8 made, 3 surviving) car. My colorization attempt:

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2 minutes ago, tilomagnet said:

I know the ex Jack Warner car and the ex Sam Mann car which was originally delivered in Argentina are original covered spare wheel Roadsters. What is the 3rd surviving car? 


King of Afghanistan.

 

on a side note I’m looking for any proof that Jack Warner came within 10 miles of “his” car.

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On 4/11/2021 at 2:11 PM, alsancle said:

 

 

Sold by H&H in 2006 for $414,600.   Attractive car but non Sindelfingen body with RHD is not going to bring lots of money.

 

Btw,  the car is a convertible victoria,  not sure how RM feels they can call it a roadster.  How many seats do we see in the overhead shot?

 

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I think there are at least 2 500K cars by Windovers which are quite close in styling. One used to be in an Austrian car museum many years ago. Not sure if its the one that is sold. I agree its an attractive body, but obviously most want Sindelfingen body or a "big name" coachbuilder.

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1 minute ago, tilomagnet said:

I think there are at least 2 500K cars by Windovers which are quite close in styling. One used to be in an Austrian car museum many years ago. Not sure if its the one that is sold. I agree its an attractive body, but obviously most want Sindelfingen body or a "big name" coachbuilder.


Yes. The other car is close in appearance but has side mounts.

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