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The article regarding the 1936 Packard Fernandez and Darrin speedster with an Auburn boattailed speedster body is on pages 33-43 of our own Antique Automobile, July-August 1988, Vol. 52, #4. It confirms that Dutch Darrin did build this car in 1935 in Paris, that Dick Saunders carried out extensive modifications to it, but did NOT build it, and that Dutch gave the then owner, Harold Sliger of Peoria, Ill. much information that allowed Mr. Sliger to restore it as originally built. Two very telling features of the car are the door hinges which Darrin had specially cast with a "D" for Darrin cast into them, and the main top bow which retracts into the body, rather than folding with the top. This feature was a Darrin patent. In addition, many of the numbers from the parts on the chassis and the Auburn body match numbers from Darrin's file on this car. It is an interesting read.

Don Conard

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Thanks for all the information on the maybe F&D Boattail. Didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest. Kind of disappointed - I thought I had stumbled upon a long lost one of a kind discovered in some French Château after 60 years with a great history. Still confused as to the F&D Connection but I guess I am not the only one.

See article on this car in the July-August 1988, vol. 52, #4, pp. 33-43. None other than Howard "Dutch" Darrin confirmed he built it.

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Is this Dave Mitchell's car being detailed for the next Grand Classic? No wonder it costs a fortune to own an open Packard. I guess this is where "Ass the man who owns one!" Sorry..... "Ask" :cool:

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No one wants blackwalls in that size. I had to beg Coker to make them - it took 2 1/2 years to get them and wouldn't have happened without Corky Coker himself committing to it and making a special run for me. I really appreciate it! The car came with blacks when new and wouldn't be right with whites.

This car makes me think of the late 540K (2nd version) 2 door offner tourenwagen - what do you think? It is bigger of course... I think this car looks very European. It also looks much sportier in person, a bit sinister really, and photos just don't really do it justice, so I hope you see it in person. DM

Wow. I like that quite a bit. Words can't describe how nice it looks without white walls defiling it
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It is funny you mention the 540k because I thought it was a European body before reading your post. The crisp lines of the "boot" definitely make me think of a German coachbuilder. Derham & Rollston (pre-high hat) are two of my favorite pre-war carrossiers.

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Good this be the Erdmann and Rossi that i have been looking for years now?

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Now this car is interesting. This car was in Ohio for the late 1950's until about 10 - 12 years ago when it was sold out to the West Coast. The guy who had it always referred to it as a Kellner body. But when you look at it, there's really nothing European about it. He bought it this way in the late 1950's. It was painted a darker color at the time. One dealer who had it said the CCCA Classification Committee accepted the car and said it could possibly be a Rollston. There was a green restored 1937 Packard Super Eight Rollston phaeton at the Warren 1999 meet and the body on it looked nothing like this car. Some of us have hypothosized the following: The body was originally on a 1933 or 1934 Packard chassis, and after 3 or 4 years the owner had a new chassis ordered and this body installed with some alterations to the front doors and winshield areas. The windshield frame almost looks stock 1937 Packard senior convertible, and the rear 1/2 of the body looks like a stock 1933/34 Packard phaeton. I'm not knocking the car at all, but it's just not a Rollston in any sense of the word. I'm wondering if the cowl and windshield posts are stock 1937 Packard convertible, the front doors altered to fit the cowl, and the rest of the body stock 1933/34 Packard phaeton.

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I just read through this entire thread and loved it! I have a few photos somewhere that I'll try to post once I locate them. One is of the front wheel drive Packard that used to be at Harrah's in Reno where the sign indicated it was made by Count Alexis de Sakhnoffsky. The other was owned by a friend and was, as I recall, a 1932 902 canvas topped stationery coupe that was specially built to smuggle prohibition era liquer. At a glance it looked perfectly normal but it's golf bag door was huge. The only coach built car I ever owned, other than many Henney-Packards that were only glossed over in this thread, was a 1964 Ghia-Imperial limousine.

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THOMPSON BODY COMPANY Reim-Thompson Co., Robert Thompson Co., Thompson Body Co., George F. Reim, R.M. Thompson, Robert M. Thompson - Coachbuilt.comdoes make sense seeing how the car has a Calif lic plate and Thompson was in LA. As i said when u enlarge the photo u cant make out the body builders tag 100%. Its retangular, approx 1"x3" and DIETRICH's tag came to mind but ive been wrong before. Anyone know what a Thompson Body Co. name plat looks like? AND im thinking the rad shell it MILLAR ie Race Cars and they were out of So. Calif so there might be a connection there with Millar. On that latest photo showing the RH side i see it has a large exhaust pipe which to me spells out that there was some stuff going on under the hood. With those air scoops in the hood, the large tail pipe, the MILLAR rad shell, full body pan, it makes u wonder if Millar was playing with it also. Think this baby was made for SHOW AND GO. If this guy Major Glasscock was the owner thats refered to with the car was reel he must have been an interesting dude.

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Just ran across this TAB I posted and realized I never did a followup. This Speedster fascinated me because of its beauty and also because of the many stories that were attached to it which were in disagreement with each other. Has been referred to as the

Glasscock Speedster – Glascock Speedster – McDaneld Speedster – Thompson Speedster

SO WHAT SHOULD WE CALL IT ?

After research I find the best title for it would be the Glasscock Speedster. More than likely was a custom order by Lt. John Glasscock, Perris, Calif, from the D. E. McDANELD Inc. PACKARD Dealership, Pasadena, California. Pretty sure built on a 1929 PACKARD Speedster chassis.

A 1930? article on Speedsters has a photo of the car with the owner sitting behind the wheel and notes that the man is Lt. J. R. Glasscock and was designed by the THOMPSON AUTO BODY COMPANY, L.A., Calif.; presumably built by them.

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There is a series of photos taken of the Speedster taken on the same day in 1929. Two have the Lt. behind the wheel. If u study them there is no doubt the Speedster is showroom new. 1929 Calif Lic Plate / 6W 349. Research reviled the house in the background was that of Donald McDaneld and wife Margaret, 589 Winston Avenue, San Marino, Calif. Donald was owner of D. E. McDANELD, Inc. PACKARD Dealership, 1095 E. Colorado Boulevard , Pasadena, Calif.. Not much of a stretch to think that the Speedster was ordered though the McDaneld Dealership. The Speedster definitely brought Glasscock and McDaneld together but it also might have been the love of airplanes. Lt. Glasscock was in the AIRCORPS and McDaneld was a pilot, owning four planes and President of the National Aeronautic Assn. Maybe both or more?

The McDaneld house in the background of a couple of the photos is still there today in its grandeur. If you which to see the backdrop of the house that is shown in the photos do a GOOGLE Map / STREET VIEW 589 Winston Avenue, San Marino, Calif. and go around the corner to East California Blvd.

Lt. John Raglan Glasscock, Jr. was born in Oakland, California on September 25, 1885; D 1942. His father was a Bay Area attorney, who became the District Attorney of Alameda County, a U.S. Congressman, and ultimately the Mayor of Oakland, Calif. The Lt. along with being a hell of a car guy

-Attended University Of California at Berkley.

-Held the World Record for ascent time of the Matterhorn Swiss Alps.

-Carrier soldier

-In 1908 received a commission from the British Government to explore the Forbidden Lands of Tibet.

-Served in WWI and WWII

In 1930, the U.S. Census found Glasscock living in bachelor officers' quarters at MARCH FIELD in Perris, Ca. Approx. 50 miles from the McDaneld dealership and home.

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"Here is one I have always liked. I really like it now. 1 of 3 built. I thought it was somewhere else in this thread but I could not find it."

Believe i saw one of these at PEBBLE a few yrs back. Sometimes u have to wonder what all the fuss about open cars is.

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Rob Hilarides in California did a heroic restoration on an 845 Dietrich sedan and it won the closed class at Pebble in 2012. It is very, very nice and done in dark green. The other real one that I know still exists is in the Nethercutt collection.

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Rob Hilarides in California did a heroic restoration on an 845 Dietrich sedan and it won the closed class at Pebble in 2012. It is very, very nice and done in dark green. The other real one that I know still exists is in the Nethercutt collection.

Dave. Are you implying that the one in Urbana is not real?

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Hi Owen

 

Just thought I'd send over a few more pictures. I'm starting to think that it might not be a British coach builder, perhaps French? I've looked through coach builders web site and that's where I'm getting that idea from.

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Colin

 

 

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