Roy Rogers Nellybelle Jeep Question

[Belvedere]

OK, I'm not the enemy here! I love the AACA just as it is! Have been a member since the late '80's. Currently it is the ONLY collector car organization I belong to BECAUSE we appreciate original and restored to original vehicles. I traveled to KY to celebrate our 75th! One of my Plymouths is a SR car with 30 Preservations, the other HPOF. And there is no street rod in my garage. Never will be!

Ol' Nellybelle started some brainstorming about creating a new class for TV cars sighting historical significance. Although I do not appreciate the modern-day street rods, I found the Hot Rods built in the early '50's included in The 3-Dog Garage feature at the AACA Museum to also be historically significant and ONLY those might find a place with us. Keep in mind it was a brainstorming idea, and not all brainstorming ideas are good ones. Obviously, this one wasn't!

I'm also very disheartened by shows that are now dominated by street rods, while original cars, many owned by AACA members like myself, are staying away. The general public (spectators) will always walk by an AACA Senior car to look at the street rod or Mustang with a blower. I adamently agree we should not allow street rods or modified muscle cars on our showfield!!!

I'm very sorry you missed my point and hope everyone's blood pressure can return to normal. In the future I will stick to just reading the Forum.

AACA does not need to change a thing!

[JustDave]

hello everyone how about the early movie cars stock & custom like topper and boston blackie,just to mention a couple,?

[Guest billybird]

I don't know if I totally agree that the viewing public has a Steetrod mentality. The world is eat up with Streetrods for sure, but every time I take one of my AACA cars to a local show or cruise in, it gets tons of attention because people don't see originals any more. I've seen people at National Meets just bewildered that there are that many "factory specs" in one place. I think better advertisement IS needed.

[Guest Silverghost]

OK, I'm not the enemy here! I love the AACA just as it is! Have been a member since the late '80's. Currently it is the ONLY collector car organization I belong to BECAUSE we appreciate original and restored to original vehicles. I traveled to KY to celebrate our 75th! One of my Plymouths is a SR car with 30 Preservations, the other HPOF. And there is no street rod in my garage. Never will be!

Ol' Nellybelle started some brainstorming about creating a new class for TV cars sighting historical significance. Although I do not appreciate the modern-day street rods, I found the Hot Rods built in the early '50's included in The 3-Dog Garage feature at the AACA Museum to also be historically significant and ONLY those might find a place with us. Keep in mind it was a brainstorming idea, and not all brainstorming ideas are good ones. Obviously, this one wasn't!

I'm also very disheartened by shows that are now dominated by street rods, while original cars, many owned by AACA members like myself, are staying away. The general public (spectators) will always walk by an AACA Senior car to look at the street rod or Mustang with a blower. I adamently agree we should not allow street rods or modified muscle cars on our showfield!!!

I'm very sorry you missed my point and hope everyone's blood pressure can return to normal. In the future I will stick to just reading the Forum.

AACA does not need to change a thing!

Please do NOT stop posting your ideas on this forum.

We need more people with ideas & opinions like you have here.

I always look at postings here as a free exchange of ideas & opinions !

Debate is great for our old car hobby !

There are many ideas out there that can only serve to improve our hobby & shows.

Also I always respect the ideas & opinions of others !

I believe that the AACA only serves to better promote our old car hobby.

We need new blood & new ideas if our "Antique Car Hobby" is to survive at all in the future !

We need to promote more restorations to original stock as factory-built condition !

Also we need more car show events like Hershey !

The Streetrod groups have us out numbered !

We need more preservation minded folks around today !

One gripe that I have with the CCCA, and a reason that I dropped my membership in CCCA, is their idea of it being an exclusive club.

At Grand Classic Events the outside general public is not invited to the car show events.

The Rolls~Royce Owners Club & The Silver Ghost Association ,& Phantom I Association , HCCA also do not open their events to the outside public.

That's why I dropped-out of those clubs also.

How do we expect the hobby to survive if we do not invite the general public to come and see our cars at shows ?

We need to encourage new blood into our hobby !

If we do not the hobby will soon die out !

Edited October 20, 2010 by Silverghost (see edit history)

[Peter J.Heizmann]

Please do NOT stop posting your ideas on this forum.

We need more people with ideas & opinions like you have here.

I always look at postings here as a free exchange of ideas & opinions !

Debate is great for our old car hobby !

There are many ideas out there that can only serve to improve our hobby & shows.

Also I always respect the ideas & opinions of others !

I believe that the AACA only serves to better promote our old car hobby.

We need new blood & new ideas if our "Antique Car Hobby" is to survive at all in the future !

We need to promote more restorations to original stock as factory-built condition !

Also we need more car show events like Hershey !

The Streetrod groups have us out numbered !

We need more preservation minded folks around today !

One gripe that I have with the CCCA, and a reason that I dropped my membership in CCCA, is their idea of it being an exclusive club.

At Grand Classic Events the outside general public is not invited to the car show events.

The Rolls~Royce Owners Club & The Silver Ghost Association ,& Phantom I Association , HCCA also do not open their events to the outside public.

That's why I dropped-out of those clubs also.

How do we expect the hobby to survive if we do not invite the general public to come and see our cars at shows ?

We need to encourage new blood into our hobby !

If we do not the hobby will soon die out !

Folks,

You may be best served if one of the proponents of this new class would send a letter or contact the AACA Board as they will have the final word to best satisfy your queries. This thread is all opinion and conjecture at this point and will go nowhere unless going to the horse's mouth.

Ron, Shop Rat, Silverghost??

Regards,

Peter J.

[Shop Rat]

Peter,

How do we post a poll to see what folks think? Just a yes or no type thing as to whether folks would or would not support the formation of a new class for movie/TV vehicles understanding that it would be carefully regulated like the race car class is.

Then submit the results, if positive, to the AACA for consideration.

[MCHinson]

Looks like you need to send your recommendation to Herb Oakes, VP of Class Judging. The addition of a class falls under the Class Judging Committee.

B. COMPOSITION AND FUNCTIONS

OF

THE CLASS JUDGING COMMITTEE

1. MEMBERSHIP OF THE CLASS JUDGING

COMMITTEE

The Class Judging Committee is made

up of the following AACA members:

a. Vice President-Class Judging

b. Vice President-Judging

Administration (AVP-Class

Judging)

c. Vice President - Technical

Matters

d Chairman-Judges Training

e. Assistant Chairman-Judges

Training

f. Chairman - Judges Records

g. Chairman - HPOF

h. Chairman - DPC

i. Chairman - CJE

j. Chairman - SGCV

k. Chairman - Race Car

Certification

l. Any other contributing member

at the discretion

of the Vice

President-Class Judging.

2. FUNCTIONS OF THE CLASS JUDGING

COMMITTEE

The duties of the Class Judging Committee

are:

a. Make a periodic review of vehicle classification

and submit recommendations

to the National

Board of Directors

for

the revision

or addition

of classes.

b. Review applications for inclusion in

the list of specified Classic, Prestige

and Limited Production

and Prototype

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vehicles and make recommendations

for approval to the National

Board of

Directors.

c. Make recommendations

for the

improvement

of the judging forms and

other forms used in class judging.

d. Determine when items for deduction

should be added or deleted

on the

judging forms and submit

same to the

National

Board of Directors.

e. Maintain a continuing review of all

aspects of class judging and make

recommendations

as needed.

f. Establish a Judges Proficiency

Committee from members of the

Class Judging Committee to review

the conduct and proficiency

of any

member of the AACA judging system.

g. Update annually the AACA Official

Judging Guidelines to include all appropriate

revisions.

h. Review all applications for national

meet chief judges prior to final approval

by Vice President

- Class Judging

[Restorer32]

So a street rod from a movie produced in 1985 could then be shown? There have been literally thousands of "movie cars" over the last 100 years. Does this mean that "movie cars", for example street rods used in movies could then be bought and sold in the flea market or car corral? What about porn movies or movies that had very limited distribution? What about cars that were built specifically for movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? The Devil is in the details. I like the concept but still think it might quickly become unworkable. Any factory built movie car without modifications can already be shown in AACA in its proper class. Are these cars to be judged and if so to what standard? Again, just brainstorming.

[Peter J.Heizmann]

Peter,

How do we post a poll to see what folks think? Just a yes or no type thing as to whether folks would or would not support the formation of a new class for movie/TV vehicles understanding that it would be carefully regulated like the race car class is.

Then submit the results, if positive, to the AACA for consideration.

Again, always go through the proper channels for satisfactory answers. I would contact Herb for his advice and go from there.

Up front and strictly my opinion I have a problem with a "public forum poll" in that you would be surprised at how many regular forum members, some the most outspoken, are not members of the AACA. When asked over the years there are some that absolutely refuse to become members.

Until someone corrects my personal opinion, I have a problem with non-members voting for a change to the AACA in any way, shape, or, form.

(I highly doubt a huge amount of new members joining simply because we have a TV/Movie Car Class. Might gain a few but is it worth altering the mission of the AACA? I would vote "NO" for this class.)

The above is my opinion as a member and not that of the AACA from any past positions I held.)

Regards,

Peter J.

Edited October 20, 2010 by Peter J.Heizmann (see edit history)

[Ron Green]

Folks,

You may be best served if one of the proponents of this new class would send a letter or contact the AACA Board as they will have the final word to best satisfy your queries.

Ron, Shop Rat, Silverghost??

Regards,

Peter J.

I just recently went through getting the Amphicar approved from class 27g to 35b so I'll sit this one out however I do think the class should be considered with strict guidelines.

[Guest Silverghost]

For those of you who my wish to vote on this TV & MOVIE CAR issue ...

Please see my informal Poll in the judging forum.

NOTE:

This is MY poll and is NOT in any way connected or sanctioned by the AACA !

You can also leave your comments there also.

THE POLL IS GONE !

WHY ????????????

Edited November 19, 2010 by Silverghost (see edit history)

[Bill Clark]

No problem showing a 97 Prowler in Class 22V in 2022 but the car that inspired it, the 32 Ford from American Graffiti, is still out. And you want a class to include the Oscar Meyer Weiner? People are spending the winter scraping the undercoating off of their GTO to keep it like the factory delivered it yet you want to include the Batmobile in a movie class? The rules are clear "evaluate an antique vehicle which has been restored to the same state as when the dealer received the vehicle from the factory". Put me down for no.

Bill

[Shop Rat]

This just showed up on Yahoo News. Guess the writer likes vehicles from movies and TV like some of the rest of us. :cool:

Hollywood Auto Show - Photo Gallery on Yahoo! Movies

[ex98thdrill]

No problem showing a 97 Prowler in Class 22V in 2022 but the car that inspired it, the 32 Ford from American Graffiti, is still out. And you want a class to include the Oscar Meyer Weiner? People are spending the winter scraping the undercoating off of their GTO to keep it like the factory delivered it yet you want to include the Batmobile in a movie class? The rules are clear "evaluate an antique vehicle which has been restored to the same state as when the dealer received the vehicle from the factory". Put me down for no.

Bill, you have a right to disagree, but tell me what the difference is between the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile versus the GM Futurliner?? I don't see any difference, and anyone who has been to a meet, the Futurliner does draw a crowd.

You're right about the Plymouth Prowler, but if a TV movie class was developed, you could bring out that deuce coupe from American Graffiti, the hot rod pickup from Happy Days, the Batmobile, Monkeesmobile, the General Lee, Bigfoot, Nellybelle, Munstermobile, etc.

Understand that with your principal about factory built cars only, if your mindset was established, you could wipe out the fire trucks, almost every large commercial type vehicle, buses, Yenko Cameros, Shelby Mustangs, and even some woodie wagons.

I know I might sound out of line, but I'm surprised that I haven't seen someone show up to a meet with a restored Winnebago motorhome.

[Belvedere]

I remember a "Winnie" at Montoursville AACA Spring Meet entered in DPC during the early days of that class!

[Bill Clark]

The aim of the AACA is the perpetuation of the pioneer days of automobiling by furthering interest in and preservation of antique automobiles and by promoting sportsmanship and of good fellowship among all AACA members. The AACA uses the term "automobile" in a comprehensive sense to include all self-propelled vehicles intended for passenger use (cars, race vehicles, trucks, fire vehicles, motorcycles, powered bicycles, etc.).

Firetrucks are specifically called out in the AACA bylaws as an "automobile" and have a judging class.

The question was should we have a judging class for Movie cars. I voted no. We already had this discussion relative to hot rods and the membership's opinion was no. If we agreed not to admit the 32 Ford as a Hot Rod, I would have to say no to display of the 32 Ford as a movie car. If the question was should we have a display class for movie cars, I would vote no again.

The Future Liner and the rig in front of the Hershey Center last fall were both interesting and historically significant vehicles that deserve to be displayed at the discression of the host region and AACA. Almost every successful display of old cars has some wierd vehicle that draws a crowd and they certainly help people enjoy the show. Other than HPOF, SGCV and Driver Participation I am not aware of specific guidelines that govern the display of interesting vehicles. I would expect that if someone wanted to display the Weinermobile, 32 Ford from American Graffiti, or Jake and Elwood's 74 Dodge Monaco at a National show then its display would be at the discression of the Meet Chairman.

Bill

[Shop Rat]

I really don't think this is an issue for you to become upset about. It is unlikely to really see the light of day. Some of us that have fond memories of vehicles like Nellybelle got to "kicking this around in the school yard" and remembering those special vehicles from our childhoods in the first days of Television (it wasn't called TV yet ) and when we were young adults the ones we saw in movies and TV. It would be a treat to us to see them in person in one place.

[Restorer32]

I suspect the more famous "movie cars" would not come out for free.

[ex98thdrill]

The Future Liner and the rig in front of the Hershey Center last fall were both interesting and historically significant vehicles that deserve to be displayed at the discression of the host region and AACA. Almost every successful display of old cars has some wierd vehicle that draws a crowd and they certainly help people enjoy the show. Other than HPOF, SGCV and Driver Participation I am not aware of specific guidelines that govern the display of interesting vehicles. I would expect that if someone wanted to display the Weinermobile, 32 Ford from American Graffiti, or Jake and Elwood's 74 Dodge Monaco at a National show then its display would be at the discression of the Meet Chairman.

Bill, you're right about the historical significance of the Futurliner, and I won't dispute that, but like the weinermobile, the Futurliner was not a production vehicle available to be purchased by the public.

As in the fire trucks, if the chassis was built by Ford, and gets converted into a fire truck, the truck does not get delivered as it left the Ford factory. If the fire truck came from a poor community, they built their own fire truck and there was no factory at all.

As the weinermobile, what's the difference between the company that built it, versus the company that builds fire trucks??

Trust me when I say this, that I'm not trying to upset you, but the weinermobile has evolved over the years and has historical significance in the same manner as the futurliner. The same could be said about Roy Rogers' Jeep.

The same argument applies to the race cars. most race cars were built in someone's back yard and weren't built in any factory at all.

For every argument that you have against TV & Movie cars, the same argument can be said in favor of it. Whether it's Roy Roger's Jeep or someone with a Model 'A' Ford, they're both a part of our history.

[Bill Clark]

I guess my feelings on this come across wrong in print as none of this is worth getting excited about, although I think throwing out the historically significant hot rods was a mistake. My point is, our core is the preservation of old cars. I think our shows are interesting just by the quality of the cars displayed and we don't need a midway with a freak show. We agree that there are any number and kinds of odd vehicles that could be displayed at a show, and if there is any disagreement, its how they are displayed. I would leave the guidelines as they are and if the meet chairman wants to display Bonnie and Clydes stolen 1934 Ford Fordor Deluxe, then give it a spot off to the side and show it.

Bill

[nearchoclatetown]

Seeing the real Nellybelle on the field was pretty neat, IMO. But let me get this straight, you want to start a "movie/TV show class? That would bring in Norm Grabowski's T that was used in 77 Sunset Strip, the California Kid '34 Ford that Martin Sheen made his mark in the movies with, the Monkey Mobile, Milner's coupe from American Graffitti, which is "known" to exist, BTW., the '55 Chevy from AG AND Two Lane Blacktop, which is the same car, the Happy Days pickup, etc. etc. Gee, does this sound anything like the "historically significant hotrod" class that several regions threatened to quit AACA if approved to anyone else? The group that was ASKED to put together the historic hotrod class was virtually run out of the annual meeting. What has changed?

[Belvedere]

I remember the attempt of AACA to accept "historically significant hotrods", and was NOT in favor of it then. Anyone remember what the definition was? If I recall it was a modified vehicle using major components 25 years old or more. That defined "street rod".

I've seen a few "Historically Significant Hotrods" (note caps) being judged AACA, 2 examples at Hershey this past year. Seems they must have a racing pedigree to be AACA recognized.

Movie cars . . . not interesting to me.

[Steve Moskowitz]

The cars you mentioned were in fact certifed race cars and passed the scrutiny of a special committee.

[Belvedere]

Yep! As an AACA member, I'm aware of the stringent documentation required to achieve race car certification. They were indeed an "Historically Significant Hotrod" (strong emphasis on Historically Significant) with a timed event pedigree. Hotrods nonetheless, and I enjoyed seeing them.

My point, as AACA members we recognize and appreciate hotrods that are historically significant to the motoring past and were actually "created/modified" over 50 years ago. I believe the owner of the 2 race cars I referred to, Mr Myers, also owns Hotrods created during the same time in history for national custom car venues rather than racing, and are as equally "Historically Significant".

Later-day street rods are clones of past history, and do not fit into the AACA mission. Maybe 50 years from now, time will render them historically significant. Who knows.