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My 2 cents. I think that the idea of a movie/car builder class is a great idea. Lots of the 60s custom jobs are still around and so is their builders. Builders like Barris, Starbird, Cushenbery, Big Daddy Roth, Coddington and the list goes on. All of these guys made a contribution to the car culture as we know it today, while they don't fit in with the factory original stuff they should have a class of their own. Most of the builders are still alive and would be a great resource while they were still here to document.

Car clubs will have to be all inclusive in the future to continue to grow

Just a thought

Chuck Kerls

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.....Car clubs will have to be all inclusive in the future to continue to grow.Just a thought Chuck Kerls

Hopefully that will not be the case with the AACA. There are more than enough clubs for vehicles that do not meet the standards and mission set forth by the AACA. Nothing against them at all. But we will not need them to survive as a club. Regions/Chapters many times do hold open shows as it is a good way to make money for their local club.

I am the one that suggested the new class for movie/TV cars and I think that it could be dealt with the same as the race car class. They would have to pass an intensive screening process to be eligible to participate, if the class gets off the ground at some point. Many of us think it would be a good tool to bring folks to shows that might not otherwise come to one. And from there those same folks will hopefully wander the showfield, or museum, and see what our side of the hobby is all about and have to offer folks.:)

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I remember years ago when the show was still at the Stadium AACA had a display class of vintage street rods and the Happy Days pick=up was displayed.

it was parked in front of the maintenance/shower building.

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Alot has been said about the institution of a TV/movie car class, thanks to Nellybelle.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned the possible interest a "Vintage Hot-rod" class might create. Again, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT STREET-RODS ON THE AACA SHOWFIELD!

During the early Post-war period and throughout the '50's, customers began to create early hot-rods, some going on to grace magazine covers and appear at national custom car shows across the country. How many have survived, we may not know. Race cars were not always "factory creations" and were created by local racers are part of our automobile history. Just the same, vintage hot-rods and customs created in those early Post-war years by locals who may have gone on to be renowned customizers, are also part of that heritage.

Entrance into this class would be scrutinized as in the Race Class with solid documentation. I can see as much interest in Vintage Hot-rod as Race cars.

I've enclosed a few that appeared in the AACA Museum Feature in the past.

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Here's two more examples. One appeared at the AACA Museum, while the other appeared on the Hershey Showfield in 2008. It was a '36 Jensen Ford with custom bodywork done in the '30's I believe. It drew ALOT of attention.

What do you think? Maybe this idea deserves a new thread.

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Any new additions to the AACA show field won't necessarily attract more non members unless the shows are advertised locally. We live less than 50 miles from Hershey but would not even know a show was being held if we wern't members. My uncle was program director for a local TV station and had an interest is antique cars so would often send a news crew to the show and see that the film was aired but he has long since retired. In my experience EVERYONE locally knows of Carlisle yet very few even know of the existence of "Hershey". Advertising works for McDonalds. I suspect it would work for the AACA as well.

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I agree and disagree with spectators and local advertising. From my experience, lately spectators have a "streetrod mentality". If it doesn't have a chopped top, abundant chrome in the engine bay, and painted a bright color, they aren't interested. Locally, a popular weekend show for over 40 years has steadily declined in spectator attendence seemingly because registrations follow AACA guidlines. Streetrods are no longer welcome, although many modified cars "slip" in. Over the last 10 years, a Rod and Custom Jamboree, held in the same location 4 weeks later has grown by leaps and bounds in registrations and spectator attendance. Sadly, a 25+ year old original or restored vehicle isn't of interest to the average car show goer.

I looked at Nellybelle at Hershey, and read the info. Being 50+, I am familiar w/ Roy Rogers, but not Nellybelle. I wasn't sure how it fit into AACA class judging, being non-factory authentic, and was surprise to see it won an award. The idea that 1 or 2 25+ year ago Movie/TV cars on our showfield will draw younger spectators is questionable. How old do you have to be to remember Roy or Mannix?

I feel we as a club need to add and refine classes to add and retain our membership, while maintaining the AACA mission.

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I agree and disagree with spectators and local advertising. From my experience, lately spectators have a "streetrod mentality". If it doesn't have a chopped top, abundant chrome in the engine bay, and painted a bright color, they aren't interested.

The same holds true for many things these days. Just look at movies and TV. If it isn't on fire, being blown up, shot at or "weird" in some way kids and young adults don't want to go. Roller rinks, the staple of a safe place to go for kids in the fifties and sixties have pretty much died out.

..... How old do you have to be to remember Roy or Mannix?

There are lots of us still around. :D

I feel we as a club need to add and refine classes to add and retain our membership, while maintaining the AACA mission.

What classes would you add and how would you refine the ones that we have?

I honestly hope you don't want to add modified cars and street rods to the AACA. They have so many clubs already, we don't need them invading the last stronghold for the owners of orginial and restored 25+ year-old vehicles.

Bill and I have not seen it to be a plus to mix them and antique vehicles in our nearly thirty years of having antique vehicles. The exception is when a show/meet is run by the antique vehicle crowd as opposed to the street rod/modified crowd. We have not had good experiences in the past with open events run by street rod/modified clubs.

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Yea, but you notice they are spectator's cars, not in the show or flea market.

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Yea, but you notice they are spectator's cars, not in the show or flea market.

No they were in the show, it a trial display class of custom cars that had to prove they were customized over 25 years ago.

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STREET RODS @ AACA, HECK NO!!!!!!!!

As to what classes to add or refine, I don't have any concrete answers. I think the Performance classes are a good start, but seem to be confusing to owner/members as to whether their car qualifies, and almost seems voluntary to enter.

SGCV is a good idea, but I don't know why this class is display only. A friend says the info one must provide to first have your car qualify is too intense just to be certified and no awards given. Unfortunately, it hasn't been well attended to this point.

If you go back a few entries, you will see photos submitted my me of Historical Hot Rods that appeared at the AACA Museum earlier. Note the info provided w/ each vehicle as to their history. Built in the early post-war period into the late '50's, they are equally as historical significant as race prepared vehicles of the same period. With certification and judging like Race Cars, I feel this would be a historically significant class. They are Historical Hot Rods, not modern mail-order street rods.

I remember last year at Hershey a Ford Roadster that at first glance figured to be a street rod. What?? But upon closer inspection, found it to be a historically significant hotrod that participated in a timed event. Very interesting.

STREET RODS? NEVER!

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Streetrods started to slip-in a local show I attend a few years ago.

When I asked the show officials about this they replied "we don't want to turn anyone with an old car away !"

Now this year the streetrods dominate this show with 75% being fiberglass body cars .

The few antiques that still attend can be counted on one hand !

This is the end of me, and others like me, attending this show!

Pebble Beach started a Hotrod /Streetrod class a few years ago thank's to pressure by Bruce Meyer ...

I was very surprised and distressed by this !

TV & Movie cars should have their own class IF they can be properly documented as being authentic and not Clones & so-called tribute cars. This should be done before they are actually invited & registered.

Keep ALL hotrods & streetrods out !

There are literally hundreds of shows that they can attend !

Once you start letting streetrods/hotrods in the "real antiques" will be forced out !

Just my opinion~

But I suspect most here would agree .

Edited by Silverghost (see edit history)

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OK, I'm not the enemy here! I love the AACA just as it is! Have been a member since the late '80's. Currently it is the ONLY collector car organization I belong to BECAUSE we appreciate original and restored to original vehicles. I traveled to KY to celebrate our 75th! One of my Plymouths is a SR car with 30 Preservations, the other HPOF. And there is no street rod in my garage. Never will be!

Ol' Nellybelle started some brainstorming about creating a new class for TV cars sighting historical significance. Although I do not appreciate the modern-day street rods, I found the Hot Rods built in the early '50's included in The 3-Dog Garage feature at the AACA Museum to also be historically significant and ONLY those might find a place with us. Keep in mind it was a brainstorming idea, and not all brainstorming ideas are good ones. Obviously, this one wasn't!

I'm also very disheartened by shows that are now dominated by street rods, while original cars, many owned by AACA members like myself, are staying away. The general public (spectators) will always walk by an AACA Senior car to look at the street rod or Mustang with a blower. I adamently agree we should not allow street rods or modified muscle cars on our showfield!!!

I'm very sorry you missed my point and hope everyone's blood pressure can return to normal. In the future I will stick to just reading the Forum.

AACA does not need to change a thing!

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hello everyone how about the early movie cars stock & custom like topper and boston blackie,just to mention a couple,?

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I don't know if I totally agree that the viewing public has a Steetrod mentality. The world is eat up with Streetrods for sure, but every time I take one of my AACA cars to a local show or cruise in, it gets tons of attention because people don't see originals any more. I've seen people at National Meets just bewildered that there are that many "factory specs" in one place. I think better advertisement IS needed.

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OK, I'm not the enemy here! I love the AACA just as it is! Have been a member since the late '80's. Currently it is the ONLY collector car organization I belong to BECAUSE we appreciate original and restored to original vehicles. I traveled to KY to celebrate our 75th! One of my Plymouths is a SR car with 30 Preservations, the other HPOF. And there is no street rod in my garage. Never will be!

Ol' Nellybelle started some brainstorming about creating a new class for TV cars sighting historical significance. Although I do not appreciate the modern-day street rods, I found the Hot Rods built in the early '50's included in The 3-Dog Garage feature at the AACA Museum to also be historically significant and ONLY those might find a place with us. Keep in mind it was a brainstorming idea, and not all brainstorming ideas are good ones. Obviously, this one wasn't!

I'm also very disheartened by shows that are now dominated by street rods, while original cars, many owned by AACA members like myself, are staying away. The general public (spectators) will always walk by an AACA Senior car to look at the street rod or Mustang with a blower. I adamently agree we should not allow street rods or modified muscle cars on our showfield!!!

I'm very sorry you missed my point and hope everyone's blood pressure can return to normal. In the future I will stick to just reading the Forum.

AACA does not need to change a thing!

Please do NOT stop posting your ideas on this forum.

We need more people with ideas & opinions like you have here.

I always look at postings here as a free exchange of ideas & opinions !

Debate is great for our old car hobby !

There are many ideas out there that can only serve to improve our hobby & shows.

Also I always respect the ideas & opinions of others !

I believe that the AACA only serves to better promote our old car hobby.

We need new blood & new ideas if our "Antique Car Hobby" is to survive at all in the future !

We need to promote more restorations to original stock as factory-built condition !

Also we need more car show events like Hershey !

The Streetrod groups have us out numbered !

We need more preservation minded folks around today !

One gripe that I have with the CCCA, and a reason that I dropped my membership in CCCA, is their idea of it being an exclusive club.

At Grand Classic Events the outside general public is not invited to the car show events.

The Rolls~Royce Owners Club & The Silver Ghost Association ,& Phantom I Association , HCCA also do not open their events to the outside public.

That's why I dropped-out of those clubs also.

How do we expect the hobby to survive if we do not invite the general public to come and see our cars at shows ?

We need to encourage new blood into our hobby !

If we do not the hobby will soon die out !

Edited by Silverghost (see edit history)

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Please do NOT stop posting your ideas on this forum.

We need more people with ideas & opinions like you have here.

I always look at postings here as a free exchange of ideas & opinions !

Debate is great for our old car hobby !

There are many ideas out there that can only serve to improve our hobby & shows.

Also I always respect the ideas & opinions of others !

I believe that the AACA only serves to better promote our old car hobby.

We need new blood & new ideas if our "Antique Car Hobby" is to survive at all in the future !

We need to promote more restorations to original stock as factory-built condition !

Also we need more car show events like Hershey !

The Streetrod groups have us out numbered !

We need more preservation minded folks around today !

One gripe that I have with the CCCA, and a reason that I dropped my membership in CCCA, is their idea of it being an exclusive club.

At Grand Classic Events the outside general public is not invited to the car show events.

The Rolls~Royce Owners Club & The Silver Ghost Association ,& Phantom I Association , HCCA also do not open their events to the outside public.

That's why I dropped-out of those clubs also.

How do we expect the hobby to survive if we do not invite the general public to come and see our cars at shows ?

We need to encourage new blood into our hobby !

If we do not the hobby will soon die out !

Folks,

You may be best served if one of the proponents of this new class would send a letter or contact the AACA Board as they will have the final word to best satisfy your queries. This thread is all opinion and conjecture at this point and will go nowhere unless going to the horse's mouth.

Ron, Shop Rat, Silverghost??

Regards,

Peter J.

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Peter,

How do we post a poll to see what folks think? Just a yes or no type thing as to whether folks would or would not support the formation of a new class for movie/TV vehicles understanding that it would be carefully regulated like the race car class is.

Then submit the results, if positive, to the AACA for consideration.

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Looks like you need to send your recommendation to Herb Oakes, VP of Class Judging. The addition of a class falls under the Class Judging Committee.

B. COMPOSITION AND FUNCTIONS

OF

THE CLASS JUDGING COMMITTEE

1. MEMBERSHIP OF THE CLASS JUDGING

COMMITTEE

The Class Judging Committee is made

up of the following AACA members:

a. Vice President-Class Judging

b. Vice President-Judging

Administration (AVP-Class

Judging)

c. Vice President - Technical

Matters

d Chairman-Judges Training

e. Assistant Chairman-Judges

Training

f. Chairman - Judges Records

g. Chairman - HPOF

h. Chairman - DPC

i. Chairman - CJE

j. Chairman - SGCV

k. Chairman - Race Car

Certification

l. Any other contributing member

at the discretion

of the Vice

President-Class Judging.

2. FUNCTIONS OF THE CLASS JUDGING

COMMITTEE

The duties of the Class Judging Committee

are:

a. Make a periodic review of vehicle classification

and submit recommendations

to the National

Board of Directors

for

the revision

or addition

of classes.

b. Review applications for inclusion in

the list of specified Classic, Prestige

and Limited Production

and Prototype

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vehicles and make recommendations

for approval to the National

Board of

Directors.

c. Make recommendations

for the

improvement

of the judging forms and

other forms used in class judging.

d. Determine when items for deduction

should be added or deleted

on the

judging forms and submit

same to the

National

Board of Directors.

e. Maintain a continuing review of all

aspects of class judging and make

recommendations

as needed.

f. Establish a Judges Proficiency

Committee from members of the

Class Judging Committee to review

the conduct and proficiency

of any

member of the AACA judging system.

g. Update annually the AACA Official

Judging Guidelines to include all appropriate

revisions.

h. Review all applications for national

meet chief judges prior to final approval

by Vice President

- Class Judging

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So a street rod from a movie produced in 1985 could then be shown? There have been literally thousands of "movie cars" over the last 100 years. Does this mean that "movie cars", for example street rods used in movies could then be bought and sold in the flea market or car corral? What about porn movies or movies that had very limited distribution? What about cars that were built specifically for movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? The Devil is in the details. I like the concept but still think it might quickly become unworkable. Any factory built movie car without modifications can already be shown in AACA in its proper class. Are these cars to be judged and if so to what standard? Again, just brainstorming.

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Peter,

How do we post a poll to see what folks think? Just a yes or no type thing as to whether folks would or would not support the formation of a new class for movie/TV vehicles understanding that it would be carefully regulated like the race car class is.

Then submit the results, if positive, to the AACA for consideration.

Again, always go through the proper channels for satisfactory answers. I would contact Herb for his advice and go from there.

Up front and strictly my opinion I have a problem with a "public forum poll" in that you would be surprised at how many regular forum members, some the most outspoken, are not members of the AACA. When asked over the years there are some that absolutely refuse to become members.

Until someone corrects my personal opinion, I have a problem with non-members voting for a change to the AACA in any way, shape, or, form.

(I highly doubt a huge amount of new members joining simply because we have a TV/Movie Car Class. Might gain a few but is it worth altering the mission of the AACA? I would vote "NO" for this class.)

The above is my opinion as a member and not that of the AACA from any past positions I held.)

Regards,

Peter J.

Edited by Peter J.Heizmann (see edit history)

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Folks,

You may be best served if one of the proponents of this new class would send a letter or contact the AACA Board as they will have the final word to best satisfy your queries.

Ron, Shop Rat, Silverghost??

Regards,

Peter J.

I just recently went through getting the Amphicar approved from class 27g to 35b so I'll sit this one out however I do think the class should be considered with strict guidelines.

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