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Roy Rogers Nellybelle Jeep Question

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This was at the Hershey show on Saturday and I believe going for a 1st junior? Since this wasn't a factory prototype or factory authorized I would assume it would have the applicable deductions per the AACA judging guidelines?

I am glad it was there but just curious, not trying to start anything. Maybe next year Roy's Pontiac with all the doodads will show up?

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Without factory documentation to support it coming from the factory that way it should be judged according to the rules. At this point there isn't a class for vehicles that were used in TV or movies. Hmm, maybe that might not be such a bad idea....:)

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At this point there isn't a class for vehicles that were used in TV or movies. Hmm, maybe that might not be such a bad idea....:)

Susan, Unfortunately many of the TV "star cars" have been modified and altered quite a bit such as the Monkey Mobile, Batmobile, Kit, etc. From my discussions with Pontiac's ad guru Jim Wagner, Pontiac was so upset with how the Monkey Mobile (GTO) turned out they tried their best to disassociate themselves with it.

Though it certainly would make for an interesting class it would definitely go against the AACA's basic principles.

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Susan, Unfortunately many of the TV "star cars" have been modified and altered quite a bit such as the Monkey Mobile, Batmobile, Kit, etc. From my discussions with Pontiac's ad guru Jim Wagner, Pontiac was so upset with how the Monkey Mobile (GTO) turned out they tried their best to disassociate themselves with it.

Though it certainly would make for an interesting class it would definitely go against the AACA's basic principles.

I don't see where a television car class would be any different than a race car.

Probably the thing to do would be to have a television vehicle certification just like they do race cars and second generation vehicles. Nothing gets permitted onto the show field without having documentation that it was actually used in that show, and not a clone. You might find an awfull lot of bright orange '69 Dodge Chargers.

Personally I don't see it as a bad thing, so long as Mike Jones doesn't try to pass himself off as Uncle Jesse.:D:D

A television car class could be a good thing for AACA. With the 25 year rule, the Munster Mobile would be AACA eligible right along with Nellybelle.

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I don't see where a television car class would be any different than a race car.

Probably the thing to do would be to have a television vehicle certification just like they do race cars and second generation vehicles. Nothing gets permitted onto the show field without having documentation that it was actually used in that show, and not a clone. You might find an awfull lot of bright orange '69 Dodge Chargers.

Personally I don't see it as a bad thing, so long as Mike Jones doesn't try to pass himself off as Uncle Jesse.:D:D

A television car class could be a good thing for AACA. With the 25 year rule, the Munster Mobile would be AACA eligible right along with Nellybelle.

I want the 'Cuda that Don Johnson drove in Nash Bridges. :cool: I would say my first choice would be the 1935 Auburn Boat-tailed Speedster that Pierce Brosnan drove in Remington Steele but I understand that it was a reproduction and not an original car. Tool bad, I loved that car.

Now to get the class going. :)

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Yes it looks like the judging system worked as it should have...

Class 26A

Second Junior

1946 Jeep..................................................................................................................Pam A. Weidel, Pennington, NJ

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I want the 'Cuda that Don Johnson drove in Nash Bridges. :cool: I would say my first choice would be the 1935 Auburn Boat-tailed Speedster that Pierce Brosnan drove in Remington Steele but I understand that it was a reproduction and not an original car. Tool bad, I loved that car.

Now to get the class going. :)

I'd rather see some of the George Barris custom cars (Batmobile, Munster Mobile, Count Dragula, etc.)

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Agree that a vehicle certification could make this class feasible. I do think it would make for an interesting class, one that would certainly attract a huge crowd. I wonder how many vehicles would make it to the show field since many are in a museum? Accessory judging should add points in this class: displaying a stuffed Bullet or Trigger = plus x points. Batmobile functioning flame thrower = plus x points. Kit telling the surrounding crowd to back off or it will vaporize them = plus x points. :)

It does appear that the system worked but unsure how it even took a second without a top, side curtains, incorrect exterior / interior color, etc? I am not a Jeep expert but maybe it is more correct then I think?

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Even if it was a "display only" class it would attract folks that might then appreicate the vehicles that meet the AACA standards as they are today. :)

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Even if it was a "display only" class it would attract folks that might then appreicate the vehicles that meet the AACA standards as they are today. :)
All kidding aside, the hollywood car class might generate a lot of new interest and young blood into the hobby. The authenticity would come from the vehicle owner before it is allowed on the show field, and the judge's would be judging it for workmanship and condition. With that in mind, maybe Nellybelle could've won had that class existed.

It may never fly if the General Lee shows up and we all start calling Mike Jones "Uncle Jesse.":D:D:D If Mike steals a pair of Benny Bootle's bib overalls, it could happen, but he might not appreciate the Uncle Jesse jokes.

Just think of the cars that have been in television and in the movies that are neat, yet not eligible in accordance with AACA standards. Think of the cars from Batman, the Munsters, the Monkees, American Graffitti, Grease, Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky & Hutch, Knight Rider, etc.

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A TV car class did cross my mind after looking at Nellybell. But what about all those clones like General Lee and Starsky and Hutch? It would really be tough to document.

To "open a can of worms", a few AACA Museum Features back, several 30's Ford custom roadsters were displayed by Mr. Meyers (I believe). Reportedly customized in the '50's by some well-known customizers of the day, I remember most being in original condition (much like HPOF). Mr Meyers displayed 2 Ford coupes from this same period in the Race Car Class this year at Hershey.

I thought what an interesting class this would make, documented custom vehicles that appeared in national custom car shows around the country. NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING A STREETROD CLASS!! These documented customized vehicles are part of our motoring heritage, especially those done in the 1950's and early '60's. Documentation would need to be as strict as those in the Race Car class. And an era of customization need to be set (ex. Postwar to 1959). Class could be judged as per Race Cars, or certified as SGCV.

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I believe that all of the "General Lees" were marked here and there with a "WB" for Warner Brothers Studios. Things such as the wheels and other WB modifications were aptly marked. Maybe the other movie studios did that, too. If so, documentation of the vehicles might be a little bit easier.

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I cast my vote for a new AACA TV & Movie car class.

Folks just love to see these cars we all saw on TV and in the Movies.

Many of us made plasic model kits of these cars.

They deserve a class of their own...

As long as they are not a Clone or a "Tribute Car"

Re: Nellybelle jeep~

I believe Roy Rogers 's family liquidated the Roy Rogers Museum not long ago because of poor attendance !

Very Sad...

As a Kid I met Roy at at one of his fast food openings in Phila years ago.

He was Great with the audience !

He seemed to enjoy meeting the people as much as we enjoyed seeing him !

Good White Hat Guy Ideed !

Happy Trails Roy !

Edited by Silverghost (see edit history)

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I cast my vote for a new AACA TV & Movie car class.

Folks just love to see these cars we all saw on TV and in the Movies.

Many of us made plasic model kits of these cars.

They deserve a class of their own...

As long as they are not a Clone or a "Tribute Car"

I would go one step further that the production of the movie/tv show would have taken place at least 25 years ago.

In the case of Nash Bridges, even though the Cuda that Don Johnson drove is AACA eligible, because the Nash Bridges show is not, then it couldn't be shown. The same could also be said about the '67 Mustang ("Eleanor") from the movie gone in 60 seconds. In the case of the Dukes of Hazzard, the car (General Lee) used in the show would be eligible, the car used in the movie would not.

With the 25 year rule, this would reduce the amount of "cloning" cars. and by the time the car would appear, all of the vehicles in the entire show/movie would be AACA eligible. If the vehicle was unrestored, the 35 year rule to be shown would apply.

THis would allow Nellybelle to be shown, and not be penalized for lack of originality. Although Nellybelle is not as it would've been from the factory, it is a part of automotive history and still deserves to be shown without being penalized. Without actually judging the vehicle myself, I wonder if Nellybelle pulled a second because of condition or because of originality. A TV/movie class would allow that vehicle to earn a First Junior so long as it appears in good condition.

I'm certain that the judging committee will examine this, but win, lose or draw, Nellybelle has made us all take a second look at things, and perhaps we've all learned something from it. I'm sure after everything has been examined that the Judging Committee will do what's right.

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I would go one step further that the production of the movie/tv show would have taken place at least 25 years ago"

as a newcomer to this aspect of the hobby this idea sounds good.

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As I mentioned above it sure would make for an interesting class and personally I like the 25 year rule as Pat stated. Many of these vehicles are in a museum or in private hands so it might be difficult to get them at an AACA event? Some were build to be static displays.

Old Nellybelle sure has started a great discussion. Seems so far everyone likes the idea of a TV vehicle class.

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Was it the ACTUAL Nellybelle or someone's modern creation? Wern't there many General Lee's, some only partial cars used in filming various scenes? I just see such a class, while certainly interesting, ripe for forgeries and argument. For instance....where is THE car used in American Graffitti? I suspect you will find more than one owner who claims (and can document) that HIS car is the actual movie car. Great idea but virtually impossible to police in my opinion, especially with older movie or TV cars.

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Was it the ACTUAL Nellybelle or someone's modern creation? Wern't there many General Lee's, some only partial cars used in filming various scenes? I just see such a class, while certainly interesting, ripe for forgeries and argument. For instance....where is THE car used in American Graffitti? I suspect you will find more than one owner who claims (and can document) that HIS car is the actual movie car. Great idea but virtually impossible to police in my opinion, especially with older movie or TV cars.
If the guy who brought Nellybelle bought it at the auction, I would imagine that the bill of sale from the auction would be enough proof that the Jeep was real. If Roy stuffed Trigger, I doubt that he junked Nellybelle.

As for the other shows, I'm sure that multiple cars were used, so as long as the owner submitted documentation prior to bringing it to a meet there should be no issues. The same argument that is said about TV cars could be said about race cars. What's to say that three of us don't go out and buy three '74 Dodge Chargers, paint them all Petty Blue and say that we all have one of Richard Petty's stock cars??

I think the race car class has worked very well in AACA, the demonstration on Friday is very well attended, and I think the TV vehicle class could be a great asset to AACA.

Ron is right that a lot of cars are in museums and private collections, but until you develop these classes, you might get these vehicle owners to bring them out. If you own a museum full of TV and Movie Cars, and you want to promote your museum, the best way to promote it is to bring a car out to a show.

To expand on this one step further, a Hollywood car exhibit might be a good thing for the AACA museum. Some people might not like old cars, but maybe if the Monkeymobile and Batmobile were there it might get more folks in the doors to the AACA Museum.

One of the best ways to promote AACA is to get people in the AACA Museum.

As what Ron has said, I think having Nellybelle at Hershey has triggered good discussion, and its' appearance on our show field can be very good for AACA.

IF Nellybelle could be properly classed, and the condition and workmanship are authentic, it could be very good for the owner and for AACA.

Edited by ex98thdrill (see edit history)

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Roy Rogers did in fact have old Nellybelle in his museum at it's entrance for decades.

Trigger was in fact stuffed and appeared on his hind leggs as the museum's centerpiece attracton !

Roy would often joke about Trigger being stuffed...

He would often tell museum visitors that Dale often threatened to have him stuffed when he passed-on and placed atop poor old Trigger.

Sadly...

The entire contents of Roy's great museum was auctioned off after it's unsuccessful move to Branson Mo a few years ago.

Seems far too few visited the museum or remembered Roy Rogers...

I guess all us cowboys & cowgirls are getting too old !

Happy Trails to you...

Until we meet again !

Edited by Silverghost (see edit history)

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Just got this info off the ABC News website~

Christies Roy Rogers Museum Prices~

(That was indeed the REAL Nellybelle at Hershey this year) !

Nellybelle~ $ 116,500 sold to Pam Weidel a New Jersey horse trainer. Will be kept in a friend's Pa car museum.

Trigger (Roy's Stuffed horse) $266,000

Bullet (Roy's Stuffed Dog) $35,000

All auction prices listed above will have a 25% buyers premium fee ADDED to the above sale prices !

WOW~ These auction companys are out of control !

1000 of Roy & Dale's items

sold for a total of $ 2.89 Million !.

At the end of the Roy Rogers museum auction the entire crowd started to sing~

"Happy Trails "

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This was indeed the real Nellybelle at Hershey as he had some paperwork regarding the auction displayed with it. I saw it driving in and thought it must be a replica so I had to check it out. It ran pretty good considering how long it had been setting.

Pat, it would make for an excellent promotion for the vehicle owners by getting them out, especially at an AACA venue which are typically well attended.

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I think a new class for such vehicles would be a good shot in the arm for the AACA. These "celebrity" vehicles could certainly attract new members, attract more public to the shows etc. The "Celebrity" vehicles would need to provide good documentation though to be eligible for such a class.

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Sure; why not? Lets do it. I'd like to see how many "genuine articles" come out of the wood work. LOL. Seriously though, maybe the class could be instituted on a trial basis. Perhaps two or three years or enough time to determine the effect of the class. I just would'nt want to see it foster an array of "forgeries".

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Street rods that appeared in movies included? Just asking. And what constitutes a "movie"? Only cars that "starred" in movies or any car that had a supporting roll in a movie? Old movies or new movies employing old cars? TV cars? Again, same questions. Fun idea but not sure how it could be made to work. And who will decide on the authenticity of these vehicles? What about the Tuckers and partial/fibreglas Tuckers from the film? Body shop next door just "restored" what was represented to them as "the" original Barris BatMobile, it even had the Barris signature on it. It does sound like a wonderful idea for a museum display though.

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And what about movie motorcycles? Do we really want a field full of '60's "choppers"? Again, just asking.

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